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Re: Posts don't show on list

From Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Posts don't show on list
Date 2016-04-30 18:30 +0200
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On Saturday 30 April 2016 09:29:03 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 30 April 2016 13:10:56 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 April 2016 02:39:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 30 April 2016 00:53:47 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > With
> > > > gmail, the only practical way to do that is to subscribe using
> > > > two different names, and always send to only one, but you will
> > > > then get the list echo back on the 2nd account.  Its a PITA with
> > > > gmail, but its the only way I know of to get around their
> > > > duplicate deletion.
> > >
> > > Nonsense.  That is a most impractical way of dealing with it.  I
> > > deal with it by sending via my ISP's smtp server.
> >
> > I do too. But the list echo never comes back TO THAT ADDRESS@SERVER.
> >  So you must maintain the sub to the other address or on a 2nd
> > server.  Most just turn off delivery back to the server they post
> > thru.  Mailfilters duplicate nuking doesn't prevent the duplicates
> > in the two server or 2 addresses situation, each with the same
> > message coming back in, which may, or more likely is not the case
> > during that invocation.  I've has as much as a 16 hour difference in
> > incoming duplicates doing that.  The best solution was to stop using
> > gmail.  And its like an Excedrin headache in that you've just
> > removed the need for the headache powders.
> >
> > So I miss it like I'd miss a broken leg, or a poke in the eye with a
> > sharp stick. :)
> >
> > > No hassle and works
> > > fine.  Others may have other simple ways of dealing with it.
> >
> > For you maybe, but gmail has always been a broken solution in search
> > of a problem to me.  So it was just a shrug when they started
> > denying my fetchmail access to port 995 a year ago.  Problem solved
> > by 6 # characters in the .fetchmailrc file.
>
> Your life always seems so unnecessarily complicated, Gene. :-/
>
> Why HAVE two addresses????

Because gmail see's the echo from the list, going back to the address 
that it was posted from, as a duplicate, and deletes it.  So you see the 
post, confirming it got there by seeing it on the address you didn't 
post it from.  This duplicate deletion I have spent at least an hour on 
the phone to google, trying to convince them that doing so screws with 
every mailing list you are one because if you only subscribe once, as 
JohnDoe@gmail.com, you never have confirmation a confirmation that it 
got there in the first place without going thru all the bs of looking up 
the server with a web browser. By the time you find it, you've wasted 3 
or 5 minutes that I could have used far more productively if gmail 
wasn't such a jerk about it.

Some of the questions I have asked were so far off the beaten path, and 
so I posted again,  no response, but the third time someone did pipe up 
and tell me they had indeed seen all 3 posts, but its likely the 
no-response was because they couldn't help by answering.  So I was left 
re-posting the same question 3 times and looking like a bigger idiot 
than I hope I am, just to get a single reply. One that basically told me 
to STFU.

I did eventually suss my problem out, but when I posted my how-to, 
the "experts" then lambasted me for doing it that way.  But its worked 
for me for about 5 years now, thru 3 installs, flawlessly. On this 
little home network I use host files so I see no valid reason to waste 
space and time with dhcp.

But, had I also subscribed as FredDoe@gmail.com, I would have seen that 
every message I sent as JohnDoe@gmail.com would have come back to 
FredDoe@gmail.com, and since I sort to folders in KMail by the list 
address, everything would have worked just peachy.  KMail has no problem 
as it can set your posting name@address by the folder your are in. But 
thats an ability it didn't have, or I didn't know about, at the time 
this first boiled over 10 years ago.

Thanks Lisi.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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  Re: Posts don't show on list Harris Paltrowitz <harris1nyc@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 03:10 +0200
    Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-22 04:20 +0200
      Re: Posts don't show on list Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:50 +0200
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            Re: Posts don't show on list Mimiko <vbvbrj@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 15:10 +0200
              Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 18:50 +0200
              Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-23 00:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-23 01:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <garyroach@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 00:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 00:50 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 02:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-04-30 12:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 16:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 16:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 21:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 21:10 +0200
                Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-30 21:20 +0200
                Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-05-10 20:20 +0200
                Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-10 20:50 +0200
                Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-05-10 22:10 +0200
                Re: pastebinning (was: Posts don't show on list) Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-10 22:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 21:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-30 22:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-01 00:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 00:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-01 03:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 13:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-01 18:50 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 19:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-05-02 04:00 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-05-02 13:00 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> - 2016-04-30 01:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-30 01:50 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:40 +0200
              Re: Posts don't show on list Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-04-23 06:00 +0200
          Re: Posts don't show on list Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-04-22 09:00 +0200
            Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 09:40 +0200
            Re: Posts don't show on list Harris Paltrowitz <harrisupstate@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 13:30 +0200
              Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 13:50 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 14:20 +0200
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                Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 15:00 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-04-22 15:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 16:00 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2016-04-22 16:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 19:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-28 03:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 18:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-28 21:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 03:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 00:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-30 02:00 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-30 14:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 15:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-30 18:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 23:00 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 00:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Mike McGinn <mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> - 2016-05-01 01:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 01:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-05-01 01:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Stephen Allen <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 22:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 18:50 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-22 19:10 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 19:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 21:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-04-23 00:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 01:20 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 14:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 13:40 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Harris Paltrowitz <harrisupstate@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-22 14:30 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-22 14:40 +0200
          Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-22 11:10 +0200
        Re: Posts don't show on list Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-04-22 10:50 +0200
          Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-22 11:20 +0200
            Re: Posts don't show on list Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2016-04-22 13:30 +0200
            Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 18:30 +0200
              Re: Posts don't show on list John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-04-22 19:50 +0200
                Re: Posts don't show on list Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2016-04-23 06:10 +0200
            Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 13:50 +0200
              Re: Posts don't show on list Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-04-23 14:10 +0200
      Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 21:10 +0200
  Re: Posts don't show on list Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2016-04-22 21:30 +0200
    Re: Posts don't show on list Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-04-22 21:40 +0200
      Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 14:10 +0200
    Re: Posts don't show on list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 21:40 +0200
    Re: Posts don't show on list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 22:30 +0200
    Re: Posts don't show on list Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-23 01:40 +0200
    Re: Posts don't show on list cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2016-04-23 14:00 +0200

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