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| From | Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 |
| Date | 2015-11-25 09:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qyDMm-3FO-9@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <qypgn-2AY-29@gated-at.bofh.it> <qyqcr-3aV-27@gated-at.bofh.it> <qysee-4rc-17@gated-at.bofh.it> <qysHg-4BO-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <qytah-52D-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
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On 2015-11-24 22:15:25 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 24.11.2015 um 21:47 schrieb Brian:
> > On Tue 24 Nov 2015 at 21:13:29 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> >
> >> Am 24.11.2015 um 19:01 schrieb Brian:
> >>> On Tue 24 Nov 2015 at 17:36:49 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2015-11-23 00:45:57 +0000, Brian wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun 22 Nov 2015 at 19:00:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2015-11-22 at 18:52, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >>>>> There are 2 reasons for this change:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) It is needed to make Xorg run without root rights
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you mean that the user now needs to be root to do "startx -- vt7"?
> >>>
> >>> *I* don't mean anything. I was quoting what a developer said. But "no",
> >>> the user does not have to be root.
> >>
> >> That's completely the wrong way around.
> >
> > What is the wrong way round? I've merely said root is not necessary to
> > use startx. Surely that is not incorrect?
>
> This was not directed at you, just at the misconception that *now*
> startx needs root. Where actually up until recently it *actually*
> required root privileges (via SUID). That's what I meant with "wrong way
> around".
>
> That Xorg can now run as unprivileged user is something new (at least in
> Debian), and it's a very positive change.
I agree, but there's still a contradiction with the above: what Chris
said (quote from developers) is that X no longer uses a different TTY
so that X can run without root rights. If this is true, this means
that if the user wants to run X on a different terminal, e.g. with
"startx -- vt7", then X needs root rights, and since Xorg is no longer
SUID, this would mean that the user would have to be root to start X
in this way.
Said otherwise, if X does not need root rights with "startx -- vt7",
why is "It is needed to make Xorg run without root rights" given as
a reason for the change of behavior regarding the TTY?
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Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-11-24 19:10 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2015-11-24 21:20 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-11-24 21:50 +0100
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Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2015-11-25 09:40 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2015-11-25 09:40 +0100
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Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2015-11-28 11:20 +0100
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Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-11-28 16:30 +0100
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Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-11-28 18:50 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2015-11-27 15:20 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2015-11-27 17:50 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-11-27 19:20 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2015-11-27 21:10 +0100
Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-28 10:30 +0100
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Re: Xorg replaces TTY1 Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:20 +0100
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