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Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

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On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 15:01:55 +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote:

> Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> writes:
> 
> > Am 17.10.2015 um 10:20 schrieb Fredrik Jonson:
> >> In <qkuIV-81Y-1@gated-at.bofh.it> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>>  On Saturday 17 October 2015 06:24:10 Fredrik Jonson wrote:
> >>>> Michael Biebl wrote:
> >>>>>  Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson:
> >>>>>>  If in doubt, do install this package.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Did you maybe misread that as
> >>>>>  "If in doubt, do *not* install this package".
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes I did. I don't know how many times I've read that sentence, and clearly
> >>>> saw a _not_ in there. Interesting.
> >>>
> >>>  The structure foreshadows a "not".
> >> 
> >> Maybe the presence of the entire sentence indicates that the package really
> >> should be installed by default on systems where systemd is installed?
> >> 
> >
> > I'm not a native speaker, so I'm happy to rephrase the message to make
> > it more obvious. Suggestions?
> 
> The use of 'do' in that way suggests emphasis. If you wanted that
> emphasis, a more unambiguous way is
> 
>   If in doubt, *install* this package
> 
> If the emphasis is unnecessary, just leave out the the 'do'.

The sentence is unambiguous (there no word "not" in it); it has a hint
of instruction in it but is perfectly good English as it stands. Leaving
out "do" is still good English but is more requesting or invitational.

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Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2015-10-14 08:30 +0200
  Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2015-10-14 10:10 +0200
    Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2015-10-16 09:20 +0200
      Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2015-10-16 11:00 +0200
        Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2015-10-16 19:30 +0200
          Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2015-10-16 22:10 +0200
            Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server   [SOLVED] Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2015-10-17 07:50 +0200
              Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:10 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2015-10-17 10:50 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2015-10-17 13:50 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:40 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-17 17:00 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-10-17 19:10 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-17 20:30 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server   [SOLVED] Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2015-10-18 12:20 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-18 19:50 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 21:00 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-17 21:40 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED] Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 00:10 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-10-18 01:00 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED] Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 02:30 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-18 10:30 +0200
                Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-10-18 18:00 +0200
              Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server  [SOLVED] Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-10-18 10:00 +0200

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