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Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

From "T.J. Duchene" <t.j.duchene@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
Date 2015-08-29 00:50 +0200
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On 08/28/2015 04:45 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 28 August 2015 16:16:11 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
>> Systemd-Linux to get rid of su:
>>
>> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/
>>
>> Is this a trend to make _all_ the GNU-Linux tools disappear, and have
>> _everything_ incorporated into systemd ?
> How come that Lennart Poettering is so powerful/important?  "He's just this
> guy."
>
> But he says something will/must happen, and we all jump to. :-?
>
> Lisi
>

He isn't, Lisi. =)


If I might offer an opinion at the risk of feeding the trolls, some 
people just

have a bad reaction to systemd in general, claiming that it is "absorbing"

everything in sight. This is not entirely inaccurate, but it is 
certainly not

true either. Reality is, as always, somewhere in the middle. People have

made many claims about systemd's "monolithic design" that I find rather 
odd,

when they have no problem with the Linux kernel for using the same 
techniques:

linking binary modules. They had to find someone to blame for the "systemd

problem", so they selected Lennart Poettering because he is the one of the

team who helped create systemd. He is also a most vocal critic of 
traditional

UNIX, which makes him the easiest target.


The reality of the situation is that "su" is part of the POSIX standard,

period. The POSIX standard keeps the various UNIXs: Linux, FreeBSD, etc

compatible enough to share code. No matter what Mr. Poettering thinks or

does, or even if systemd offers an alternative - "su" is not going 
anywhere.

That is the reason that "su" is installed on Debian by default, even if you

use "sudo."


T.J.

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Another system management tool to disappear. Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> - 2015-08-28 17:20 +0200
  Re: Another system management tool to disappear. claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 17:30 +0200
    Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:40 +0200
      Re: Another system management tool to disappear. claude juif <claude.juif@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 13:30 +0200
        Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 14:40 +0200
          Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 21:40 +0200
  Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 18:00 +0200
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                Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2015-08-29 16:30 +0200
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                Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 14:20 +0200
                Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 15:00 +0200
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  Re: Another system management tool to disappear. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 23:50 +0200
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