Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ]

From	"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ]
Date	2024-08-20 11:40 +0200
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 03:44:03AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 08/19/2024 02:51 PM, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm afraid I have not got the kind of answer you request for your
> > actual question but…
> > 

Hi Richard,

A first question: is this your main computer?

The R61 is from 2007 or so - so more than 15 years old.
It has a 160GB spinning disk, if I'm reading the specs correctly, and 1GB of
memory.

> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 06:19:26AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > I'm over 80 and doing first "from scratch" install since Squeeze ;}
> > > Hardware is Lenovo R61 ThinkPad (64 bit).
> > > I multi boot [Grub will have at least three options]:
> > >    1. minimalist installation - primarily command line usage
> > >    2. 64 bit Debian with maximum features
> > >    3. 32 bit Debian - couple of applications require a 32 bit OS
> > 
> > All 32-bit x86 software runs on a 64-bit kernel no problem¹ on
> > Debian, so it's unlikely you actually need to dedicate a whole
> > install to a 32-bit kernel, which also as previously mentioned has a
> > single digit of years of remaining lifetime in Debian.
> 
> I don't see anything on https://wiki.debian.org/LTS that implies shorter
> lifetime for i386 than anything else.
> 
There will be non i386 installer medium for Trixie when released though
i386 will be retained as a release architecture. There are already
packages which cannot be built within i386 limitations so the architecture
is mostly built using amd64. Some packages for i386 will not now build
even on amd64 because of compiler changes. i386 is dead but won't lie down :)

> > 
> > >    4. other installs with strong project dependencies
> > 
> > Dependencies can indeed get out of hand sometimes.
> 
> I wasn't speaking of "software dependencies". For different projects I want
> different "working environments".
> 

A single install with all directories in one partition using LVM would be
most straightforward. In 160GB and booting using MBR/legacy, you may
run out of disk physical partitions anyway.

Install with GUI for general use. Switch to a full screen VT for
command line use, maybe?

> > 
> > I don't know how much you are up for a learning experience but
> > virtual machines or containers can often be a good way to
> > compartmentalise projects and their dependencies without needing to
> > do whole separate installs.
> > 

Absolutely agreed: the problem is the 1GB memory

<snip>

> 
> I looked into VMs long ago. For my style - no advantages worth the effort.
> 
> > Finally there can be systemd .mount units outside of fstab, but
> > again that is not typical and you'd know if you added those.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Andy
> > 
>

Richard,

You are going to be *significantly* limited by hardware here with the
size and memory requirements of modern Debian. Make life simpler:
install a desktop environment with lower memory requirements like XFCE
and try and minimise diverse requirements.

*DO* read the release notes. If you want to make significant customisations,
I'd suggest a text only install, maybe using the expert install option.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy
(amacater@debian.org) 
>

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Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-19 13:20 +0200
  Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2024-08-19 14:10 +0200
    Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-19 15:50 +0200
      Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-08-19 18:00 +0200
        Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-19 20:20 +0200
  Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-08-19 22:00 +0200
    Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-20 10:50 +0200
      Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-08-20 11:40 +0200
        Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-20 12:50 +0200
          Trixie and i386 - was [Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation  Guide" lacks index ]] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-20 14:40 +0200
            Re: Trixie and i386 - was [Re: Default partition mounts [  "Installation Guide" lacks index ]] Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-08-20 15:50 +0200
            Future of i386 as installer "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-08-20 15:50 +0200
      The lack of a future for 32-bit x86 installs (Was Re: Default  partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ]) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-08-20 17:20 +0200
        Re: The lack of a future for 32-bit x86 installs (Was Re: Default  partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ]) Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2024-08-20 18:10 +0200
  Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-08-20 00:50 +0200
    Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-08-20 05:20 +0200
      Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-20 10:10 +0200
  Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-08-20 06:30 +0200
    Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation Guide" lacks index ] Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-20 10:20 +0200
    UEFI multiboot (was: Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation  Guide" lacks index ]) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-20 17:20 +0200
      Re: UEFI multiboot (was: Re: Default partition mounts [  "Installation Guide" lacks index ]) Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2024-08-20 17:30 +0200
      Re: UEFI multiboot (was: Re: Default partition mounts [  "Installation Guide" lacks index ]) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-08-20 18:00 +0200
        Re: UEFI multiboot (was: Re: Default partition mounts [ "Installation  Guide" lacks index ]) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-08-20 18:30 +0200
          Re: UEFI multiboot gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-08-20 22:20 +0200
        Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-21 06:00 +0200
          Re: UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-08-21 06:30 +0200
            Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-21 18:20 +0200
              Re: UEFI multiboot Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-08-21 19:40 +0200
              Re: UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-08-22 00:30 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-22 05:20 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-08-22 11:50 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-22 18:00 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-08-22 22:50 +0200
                [SUMMARY] Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-23 05:10 +0200
                Re: [SUMMARY] UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2024-08-23 06:50 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 18:10 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-08-30 18:50 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-08-31 04:20 +0200
                [SUMMARY] Re: UEFI multiboot Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-09-14 06:10 +0200
                Re: [SUMMARY] UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-09-14 06:40 +0200
                Re: [SUMMARY] UEFI multiboot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2024-09-14 19:40 +0200
                Re: [SUMMARY] UEFI multiboot Felix Miata <mrmazda@stanis.net> - 2024-09-14 21:20 +0200
                Re: [SUMMARY] UEFI multiboot "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-09-14 21:40 +0200
                Re: [SUMMARY] UEFI multiboot Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-09-16 12:20 +0200
                Re: [SUMMARY] UEFI multiboot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2024-09-17 01:50 +0200
                Re: UEFI multiboot Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-08-22 12:00 +0200
          Re: UEFI multiboot Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-08-21 08:50 +0200
            Re: UEFI multiboot Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2024-08-21 09:20 +0200

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