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Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode

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On 24.11.2024 22:05, Hans wrote:
>> Long answer:
>> As a rule of thumb, never trust AliExpress product descriptions.
>> You have to always look up _specifications_ on Intel official website or
>> websites of other vendors.Seller claims this device has N100 CPU [1],
>> but in Characteristics section it is actually J4115 [2].
> Does this mean, in real this is not an Intel CPU? I saw these notebooks from
> several different sellers, and all are telling the same. Do they all lie? (Well
> it might be possible)
They are both Intel CPUs just different models. One is 12th-Gen, while 
the other is discontinued Celeron SoC. You can see their specifications 
by following URLs I've sent in previous email.
As frequent AliExpress shopper, I've had my share of dishonest sellers, 
but also extremely honest ones, who would admit their mistakes and send 
out missing parts of an order even without a dispute procedure.
Shopping on AliExpress is a gamble and every gamble implies a loss of money.

>> So which is it?
>> Display resolution 1280*800 means it couldn't be used comfortably by
>> today's UI standards and is not significantly better than screen of your
>> smartphone.
> Yes, but this would be ok for me. My old fellow, an Asus EEEPC 1008 has got
> 1024x600 which was ok for me. But now over the years, it got rather slow and
> it is 32-bit, too. So I am looking for a successor. For basic network analysis
> I could use a tablet (which I am also using) with "termux" and a bluetotth
> keyboard.
>
> But I would like to use an Inetl compatible cpu, as all my wanted stuff is
> running on this.  And it shall  be small. 13 inch and bigger I already own, so
> these small things awoke my attention.
It seems like you've looking for a niche product with specific tasks in 
mind.
My patience and eyesight for small screens are very limited and I can't 
get work done within sensible time, if I don't have a man page and a 
config file open on the screen side-by-side.

>> There is not a single actual photo of the product, in the description
>> section, only 3D modeled edited pictures.
>> When order is disputed, AliExpress arbitration service will consider
>> Characteristics as primary source for specifications, so it will be
>> customer's fault in the end and refund could be denied.
>> In conclusion: It is a *very* overpriced toy, not a device you could
>> accomplish any complex work.
>>
> Hmm, overpriced, you say. Do you mean, "overpriced" even when the the tellings
> are true (CPU, RAM-size, hardrive-size and so on)?
Even if the specs are true, they are asking 450USD+ (price for 12GB RAM, 
1TB Storage+customs and delivery fees) for a product of unknown build 
quality, with outdated screen, without warranty, without information 
about internal components and their quality, without information about 
battery life, etc.
12GB RAM means it is working in Single channel mode, 4GB soldered 
onboard + 8GB in SODIMM slot, or 8GB soldered onboard + 4GB in SODIMM slot.
LCD screens with those specifications could be sourced from rejected, or 
old refurbished products.
1TB M.2 drive could be SATA instead of much faster NVMe, or is made with 
slower and cheaper QLC (4bit) NAND chips instead of TLC (3bit) NAND chips.
Chinese engineers are very clever about utilizing previous-gen 
components, refurbished and rejected ones.
Overall, for me it is too much money to gamble.
For 450USD there are usually much better options, even if they are 
off-brand (like Huawei, Maibenben, etc), but with warranty, if they are 
bought from local shops/sites.

>   
>> If I was in the market for a new "work horse" laptop, I'd search for one
>> with at least 14" screen size, with display height resolution of 1080p
>> or more.
> Hmm, well, here in Germany is a very good reseller for "normal" notebooks. I
> can get a 12 inch Dell notebook with 8GB RAM and a 512GB drive for under 100
> Bucks (about 99 €uro). This with 2 year guarantee. The notebook is of cource
> refurbished. I know this seller for many years and he can be trusted and has a
> well service. If I do not find a smaller notebook for about 300 €, I will buy
> this one.
>
> It is a pity, my hope was another statement than yours.
>
> However, thank you very much for your help and the time you took! It helped a
> lot!
No problem, just sharing my experience with you.
I might sound discouraging, it is definitely a product not for me, but 
considering all information I gave you, if you feel like you can afford 
this gamble, go for it.
At the very least you will get a cool looking piece of technology to put 
on a shelf. :)


-- 

  With kindest regards, Alexander.

  Debian - The universal operating system
  https://www.debian.org

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