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Re: Selective rotation of journald logs

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Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:03:50
Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> napisał(a):

> Greg Wooledge (12024-02-23):
> > What was "blind" about his anaylsis?  It looked pretty well thought
> > out to me.  He showed actual examples of how space-inefficient it
> > is, and provided a theoretical example of how one misbehaved
> > service could flush out the important logs of well-behaved
> > services.  
> 
> The selective blindness here is to look only at the bad things. The
> drawbacks mentioned exist, but they are in part there for reasons, in
> order to fix the issues of the previous solutions.

I wrote about the stuff you explicitly asked, saving the logs on disk,
because you apparently can't stand a conversation about alternatives.

First you bitch I wrote about "the old stuff you know" now you bitch
about not going thru entire manpage of journalctl features. Decide

> 
> An analysis that mentions only the bad things and conclude to
> recommend using the previous solutions without even discussing their
> own drawbacks is not worth our time.
> 

The selective blindness is your problem, not "us". You decided "old
stuff" didn't work for you and got into shouting match when I described
you in excessive detail why what you want to do is impossible under
systemd.

And you got angry that someone described you why you can't do that.

> > If anything, the person who's blindly following a path is *you*.
> > You're looking to do something that multiple people have said is
> > not possible,  
> 
> Multiple?
> 
> > and when they offer you an alternative, your claws come out.  
> 
> When somebody spends one line answering the question and then pages
> “offering an alternative” by explaining things a baby sysadmin would
> already know, I deduce they are not much above the level of baby
> sysadmin themselves, and it cancels any trust I could have put in the
> one-line answer.
> 

I assumed that you are a beginner because if you read a manpage of
journald/ctl you would know what you are asking is not possible. And
the fact you haven't mentioned any other "traditional" way of doing it
made it look like that too, a newbie linux user that didn't knew it
existed.

So I wrote it with detail needed for beginner to do the job.

I would say I am sorry for mistaking your "skill" level but you already
proven abilty to read the documentation with understand is above you,
so I am not.

Like, really what kind of person gets angry when they get too much
details in instruction?


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Selective rotation of journald logs Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-23 11:20 +0100
  Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-23 12:50 +0100
    Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-23 13:10 +0100
      Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-23 13:50 +0100
        Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-23 13:50 +0100
          Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-23 14:00 +0100
            Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-23 14:10 +0100
              Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-23 14:10 +0100
                Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-23 14:20 +0100
                Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-23 14:30 +0100
              Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-23 14:20 +0100
                Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-23 14:30 +0100
                Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-23 14:40 +0100
          Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-23 14:10 +0100
        Journald's qualities (was: Selective rotation of journald logs) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-23 16:30 +0100
          Re: Journald's qualities (was: Selective rotation of journald logs) Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-23 18:20 +0100
            Re: Journald's qualities Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-23 21:40 +0100
              Re: Journald's qualities The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-24 01:20 +0100
                Re: Journald's qualities Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-02-24 05:10 +0100
                Re: Journald's qualities Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-24 11:00 +0100
                Re: Journald's qualities Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-24 05:20 +0100
          Re: Journald's qualities (was: Selective rotation of journald logs) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2024-02-23 19:00 +0100
            Re: Journald's qualities Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-02-23 21:50 +0100
            Re: Journald's qualities (was: Selective rotation of journald logs) Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2024-02-23 22:10 +0100
              Re: Journald's qualities (was: Selective rotation of journald logs) Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-24 11:10 +0100
            Re: Journald's qualities (was: Selective rotation of journald logs) Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-24 10:40 +0100
              Re: Journald's qualities Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-02-26 12:20 +0100
                Re: Journald's qualities Mariusz Gronczewski <xani@devrandom.pl> - 2024-02-26 12:40 +0100
                Re: Journald's qualities Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-02-26 17:10 +0100
                Re: Journald's qualities Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-02-27 10:50 +0100
  Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-23 16:40 +0100
    Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-25 04:00 +0100
    Re: Selective rotation of journald logs Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-26 15:50 +0100

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