Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.user > #257312

Re: Apt sources.list

Show all headers | View raw

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023, Greg Wooledge wrote:

>
> Now, personally I don't feel this is a threat model that I need to
> worry about.  I just use plain old http sources at home, and if "They"
> learn that I've downloaded rxvt-unicode and mutt, well, good for Them.
>
>

The thread model I'm most concerned about is local stuff *exporting*
data elsewhere.

I do understand that there are people in some parts of the world that
want to do things that they ought to be allowed to do but their
repressive governments are preventing. HTTPS is a useful tool to make
that repression harder - but doesn't actually make people safe - if
doing something is illegal then it's still illegal even if it's harder
for the authorities to detect it.

But it's pretty much impossible nowadays to have a "safe" environment at
home. Phones, TVs, almost everything, now tries to establish outgoing
connections.

ESNI, and DNSoHTTPS are on the way to making it almost impossible to
keep tabs on this and restrict what is allowed to egress.

The only redeeming point is that corporates *need* to do egress
filtering - so at the moment the browsers cannot totally block it - and
if they did try, there would be the financing to provide a browser that
corporates could use that, at least, allowed SNI sniffing and regular
DNS.

Back to linux.debian.user | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

Apt sources.list <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2023-04-15 14:20 +0200
  Re: Apt sources.list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 14:30 +0200
    Re: Apt sources.list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-15 15:00 +0200
      Re: Apt sources.list Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 15:40 +0200
        Re: Apt sources.list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-15 15:50 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 16:10 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-15 16:20 +0200
        Re: Apt sources.list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 16:10 +0200
        Re: Apt sources.list Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-04-15 16:50 +0200
        Re: Apt sources.list <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2023-04-15 17:10 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-04-15 18:40 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-15 19:50 +0200
              Re: Apt sources.list davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-04-16 01:00 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-16 01:20 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-04-16 01:30 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-04-16 02:30 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-04-16 02:20 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2023-04-16 21:10 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 23:00 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 03:30 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-17 06:50 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 17:10 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-16 07:40 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2023-04-16 14:10 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Alain D D Williams <addw@phcomp.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 20:30 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 20:40 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-15 22:00 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-04-15 20:50 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 02:40 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2023-04-16 14:50 +0200
    Re: Apt sources.list <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2023-04-15 16:50 +0200
    Re: Apt sources.list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-04-15 18:50 +0200
      Re: Apt sources.list Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 21:20 +0200
        Re: Apt sources.list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-04-15 22:20 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2023-04-16 00:00 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-04-16 06:20 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-04-16 07:00 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-04-16 13:20 +0200
              Re: Apt sources.list Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2023-04-16 16:40 +0200
                Re: Apt sources.list John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-04-16 18:20 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2023-04-16 07:20 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-04-16 16:40 +0200
      Re: Apt sources.list <paulf@quillandmouse.com> - 2023-04-15 22:10 +0200
  Re: Apt sources.list Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2023-04-15 18:20 +0200
    Re: Apt sources.list Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2023-04-15 22:00 +0200
      Re: Apt sources.list Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-04-18 16:40 +0200
        Re: Apt sources.list Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2023-04-18 19:50 +0200
          Re: Apt sources.list Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-04-18 20:00 +0200
            Re: Apt sources.list Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-04-20 12:20 +0200
              Re: Apt sources.list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-04-20 13:30 +0200

csiph-web