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Re: real debian or true debian?

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 coreyh@free.fr wrote:
> On 13/03/2023 10:12, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 9:02 PM <coreyh@free.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When such a debian (the digital product) is authentic, should we say it
>>> "real debian" or "true debian"?
>>> 
>>> I am not sure about this statement.

Fee         Fie        Foe        Fum
I smell the Blood of a True Scots Man [1]

>> I am having trouble parsing what you are asking... What is the context?
>> 
>> Debian provides distribution media, and it has Debian packages and
>> installs a Debian system. If it is not a Debian system, then it is not
>> a Debian installer and does not have Debian packages.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what "true" and "authentic" have to do with things.
>> 
>> Maybe you are talking about the signature?
>> 
>
> No. I meant, some people pre-installed some packages on debian and release 
> it, which is declared as xxx-debian.
>
> I am just not sure about the two words "true" and "real". which is suitable 
> for description of the "official" debian?

In the context you offer, my opinion is that "true" and "real" are as
nearly synonymous as two distinct terms can be. ("Authentic" is their
close cousin.)

And their meaning is remarkably subjective:

   "Official Debian installation media do not contain non-free
   firmware."

   "But what about updated social contract #5, which officially permits
   this?" [2]

   "Ahem. {*Real*,*True*} Debian installation media do not contain
   non-free firmware."


The term "official" itself is more objectively verifiable, and so less
arbitrarily deniable.


NOTES

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

2. Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 2 release
    https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2023/02/msg00005.html

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et ce qui est urgent est rarement important
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real debian or true debian? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-03-13 02:10 +0100
  Re: real debian or true debian? Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-03-13 03:20 +0100
    Re: real debian or true debian? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-03-13 03:30 +0100
      Re: real debian or true debian? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-13 05:20 +0100
        Re: real debian or true debian? Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2023-03-13 18:20 +0100
      Re: real debian or true debian? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2023-03-13 09:00 +0100
      Re: real debian or true debian? davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-03-13 19:30 +0100
  Re: real debian or true debian? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2023-03-14 01:00 +0100
    Re: real debian or true debian? Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2023-03-14 01:10 +0100

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