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Re: Firmaware II

From IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Firmaware II
Date 2022-04-28 19:30 +0200
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>
> Is firmware not connected to the hardware?
>
>
Modern hardware (wifi adapter for example) is a tiny computer. Firmware is
a special program that runs in it (much like you run Debian on your PC).
Hardware vendors provide firmware as blob: compiled piece of data without
source (like Windows)) so firmware is not open source.
The problem is hardware can't work without firmware, so you still need to
download it and install it inside of hardware.
Since Debian is an open source OS, it doesn't provide closed-source
firmwares by default, and many wifi adapters simply do not work.
To fix that, user must explicitly add "non-free" repository to the list of
apr repositories in Debian (you can do that during installation or later by
editing sources.list) and then
install firmware package.
Debian loads it into hardware and it works after that.

Many people believe that everything (including firmware) must be
opensourced, but we can't force hardware vendors to do that.
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

<https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware>
There is also a chicken-and-egg problem: you can't access the Internet to
download firmware if your wifi doesn't work. To solve it, one may use
special (unofficial) Debian installer
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

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> *Von:* Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 26. April 2022 14:46
> *An:* debian-user@lists.debian.org <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem:
> Debian LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry
>
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:32:23 -0400
> Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Firmware is executable code that runs inside of a device (such as a
> > network interface) rather than in your CPU.
> >
> > Many modern devices require some non-free firmware in order to perform
> > their duties correctly.  This is *especially* the case with wireless
> > network interfaces, but also applies to video chipsets and other things.
> >
> > If your devices are old enough, you may not need any.  If your devices
> > are newer, you probably need some.
>
> Just FTR, some rather old wired ethernet adaptors, such as the Broadcom
> NetXtreme II (BCM5716) in my Dell R210 II, also require non-free
> firmware to function:
>
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-bnx2
>
> --
> Celejar
>
>

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Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2022-04-25 13:20 +0200
  Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-04-25 19:10 +0200
    Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-04-25 19:20 +0200
      Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-04-25 19:30 +0200
        Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2022-04-25 20:20 +0200
          Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-04-25 20:30 +0200
            Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-04-26 20:00 +0200
              Re: New Debian Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-04-28 19:40 +0200
                Re: New Debian "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-29 10:50 +0200
        Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-04-26 15:40 +0200
          Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-04-26 16:10 +0200
          Re: AW: AW: AW: Here Newbie---Amateur in Linux...Problem: Debian  LXDE cannot boot.. Is it destroyed?//Second try Hotmail bug Sorry Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 16:50 +0200
            Re: Firmaware II IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2022-04-28 19:30 +0200
              Re: Firmaware II <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-01 13:30 +0200

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