Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug?

From	"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug?
Date	2022-04-30 10:40 +0200
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Hi,

sp007@caiway.net wrote:
> how does one force to refresh this memory with a command?

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> What do you mean by "refresh"? What's in the cache is always
> the "freshest" version:

Indeed. With normal filesystem operations there should be no need to call
something like sync(2) in order to get a consistent representation of the
current filesystem state.

That's actually the riddle of this thread:
The filesystem behavior outside the script and the time stamps look like
the file was created 30 seconds after the script began to open, write, and
close the file.
The file content indicates that it was written shortly after the script
began.

I understand that Vincent Lefevre suspects these discrepancies to be a bug
in the ext4 driver. I rather suspect that ext4 is ok and that we observe
the effects of some other glitch which caused the ext4 driver to create
the finally observed file again, 30 seconds later.

> nobody's writing to the disk behind the operating system's back
> (unless they insist into getting into trouble).

Burn programs do, because the kernel insists in being incapable of burning
CD-R and other sequential media types or states.
ioctl(SG_IO) performs SCSI transactions on the storage device by the kernel
but without the higher level drivers being aware. E.g. you don't see the
traffic counted in files of /proc and the block device driver will continue
to show the medium state before the burn run.
Remedy is to eject and reload the optical medium. On hard disks there
would be ioctl(BLKRRPART). But for CDROM there is nothing comparable in
Linux.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Thread

file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-26 15:50 +0200
  Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-26 19:10 +0200
    Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 04:40 +0200
      Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-27 09:10 +0200
        Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 10:30 +0200
          Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-27 11:40 +0200
            Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 15:20 +0200
              Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-04-27 15:30 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 16:10 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-04-28 04:50 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-04-28 05:10 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? duh <fill_in_the_blanks@email.com> - 2022-04-29 16:20 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Marc Auslander <marcausl@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 20:10 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? "sp007@caiway.net" <sp007@caiway.net> - 2022-04-29 22:10 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-04-30 07:40 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-30 10:40 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-04-30 14:10 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-05-02 01:20 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-02 07:30 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-04-30 14:40 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-04-30 15:10 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-30 15:20 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-05-02 01:40 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-05-02 01:40 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-05-02 17:10 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-05-02 18:20 +0200
                Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-28 10:40 +0200
            Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-28 11:40 +0200
  Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 19:40 +0200
    Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-04-26 19:50 +0200
      Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 04:50 +0200
  Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2022-04-26 20:20 +0200
    Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-27 05:10 +0200
  Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-04-28 11:30 +0200
    Re: file born 30 seconds after its creation on ext4 - bug? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2022-04-28 12:20 +0200

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