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Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source.

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Clearly sent privately by mistake.

In context a bit.


On Tue, 18 May 2021, deloptes wrote:

>
> No - they start and run it until government=tax payers money flows in
Really?  Can you please point me to governmental funded Linux projects for 
any disability population?
I will share your list with the one where the abandonware comment was 
made.
I have not personally   found any governmental funded  Linux project, my 
sense has been that much of the work is voluntary.
Still you seem firm in your facts, so can you document the governmental 
funded Linux Accessibility projects of which you know?


>
>> That argument is the strongest against your date concerns.
>
> I am afraid you do not understand how the business goes.
Which business? Accommodating a physical experience with adaptive tools?
That is the focus here, and  as outlined by those starting the petition, 
they have strong reasons for seeking to build on Eloquence based on the 
quality of that tool.

  >
>
> 2002?! boy - STT was funded by DARPA since 1996
I did say early years, not the earliest of years.  meaning that tools 
created in 2002 were much closer in scope and function to those begun  in 
the 1990s, certainly more so than now.

  >
>
> Might be true for the TTS part - because no military/NSA/CIA/FBI
> application.
Its funny you should express this idea.
On one of the blindness related Linux lists, someone is trying hard to get 
more naturally sounding voices as options for Linux.
One of the members noted that according to their research some speech 
synthesis sounded less human because it was built into Military  equipment 
and the like, with the less human sound used to insure it got attention.
So there seems to be history behind poor quality tts used by  the military 
/CIA
  /FBI etc.

By contrast I recall being told that the dec-talk voices were created to 
help vets who lost the ability to speak due to service.
Again, in theory, a broad application for the  use of speech synthesis in 
government.


> I know I played a lot and had contact with researchers who 
developed the TTS
> voices of festival. It must have been 2002-2005. I lost track of that.

Not sure I follow  unless festival was governmental funded research?


>
>> This  and the  pervasive nature of this particular tool in technology
>> provided at least stateside by the rehab system makes securing eloquence
>> quite fundamental for many in this population.
>> Its a life  fortifying tool missing in many ways, certainly missing in a
>> default capacitor for Linux.
>> So, not signing due to the alternative of seeking publicly funded
>> efforts, or because you feel the date is an issue, speaking personally, is
>> misplaced good intent.
>
> No it IMO it is the next level of BS and I am recently fed of BS. What
> happened to festival - it was quite good and promising - why you go and bag
> at the door of Microsoft and do not improve festival
>
Its not my petition, so i suppose  that use of you   is generalized.
How many years have you used festival in place of a computer monitor?
That is the position of these individuals, or some of them.
Eloquence became their eyes, used for years, in the screen reading tools 
that  allowed them to access computers.
Perhaps festival has become abandonware.  Perhaps the public funding for 
it went away?  Perhaps this petition  is the result of trying to make 
festival into a tool with the quality of eloquence.
I am not sure I follow why seeking a better tool for some, need reflect on 
festival, assuming anyone is still developing that tool, something I 
believe you say you last knew of in 2005 more than 15 years ago now?



>
> It might be out of context, but "inclusive" is a word that I avoid - in fact
> I am conservative and get allergic reaction when I hear it.
How would you describe the experience of not getting access to goods or 
services because of how your body works then?
For example, if you could not shop, vote, get a job, or go to school using 
computers because  you read, write, interact, or communicate differently? 
Even if the ability to provide access is technically possible, but 
excluded?
  >
> I send this in private, because of my private opinion here. I would prefer
> we discuss this in private and perhaps you can convince me that it is worth
> the effort. I do not know this tool and as I said before I wonder what
> happened to festival.

Sorry to have disappointed your wish for privacy.  speaking personally, 
at least for me, one needs to ask before writing privately, when I am 
posting  on a  public list.
If  I am not asked to be contacted privately, I reply publicly as I did 
here.
besides, others more versed in this  situation may know about festival.

Have you tried searching for the project?

> I got so disappointed by the fake mean and stupid development of history
> since I wrote my thesis in 2006 that I did not follow this topic in the
> past years. It might be a sign from God that you wrote this, so that I look
> again into what happened,
"God works in  unexpected places, Through unexpected people, at unexpected 
times his wonders to  perform."

but I am afraid I will find only devastation and
> will be disappointed again. We/Our souls (metaphorically speaking) were
> sold to the devil especially since 2008 when he (the devil) got us by the
> throat. I see only devastation and our (my culture=the culture of Leonardo
> da Vinci or Beethoven or Lomonosov, or Allen Turing or Alexander Bell)
> falling apart. So I do not expect anything good for the near future.

Well you know what they say about  faith, and expectation.  If you lead 
with  limited expectations, you may taint what the power of faith might 
create if that makes sense.
Who knows, if you lead with innovative vision, you may be the means for 
change.

> It might be a bit odd to hear this, but it could be you are the one to show
> me the light and the way :)
>
Happy to be a vessel for divine grace of course, but at the end you must 
choose on what you will place your focus.  Current limitations, or current 
possibilities.

> So can you send some links to read about the tool and explain why it is
> better than festival and what is going on with festival.

As expressed, I do not use eloquence.
I need not personally  benefit to extend compassion to those seeking this 
goal.

It is possible?  I can connect you with some who can address  your 
festival questions though.
My suggestion is to choose your preferred search tool and seek the ways 
eloquence has been used by various populations.

>
Again, if your intent was private asking permission of me first  might 
have been wise, or at least saying   such was your  desire above  the text 
of mine you referenced.
  > regards

Best,

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help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2021-05-17 22:10 +0200
  Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-17 22:50 +0200
    Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-17 23:50 +0200
    Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2021-05-18 20:30 +0200
      Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2021-05-19 00:00 +0200
        Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-05-19 01:40 +0200
          Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. Karen Lewellen <klewellen@shellworld.net> - 2021-05-19 02:10 +0200
            Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-05-19 04:20 +0200
          Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-19 07:40 +0200
        Re: help ask microsoft to make eloquance tts open source. deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-05-19 07:50 +0200

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