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Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware

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On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 21:36:26 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 07:43:10PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 25 Jul 2021 at 09:34:42 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 04:27:23PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Why isn't this on Salsa instead of a Microsoft site?
> > > 
> > > ...you're right. I won't touch github unless I'm forced to :-(
> > 
> > I went to
> > 
> >   https://github.com/alexpevzner/sane-airscan
> > 
> > and found it full of very useful information. You will explain why
> > Microsoft's involvement in the site should make me wary of advising
> > users to go there?
> 
> It is subtle, and you might disagree.

My disagreement is based on my pragmetic attitude. Nobody is out to
get us. Assume the best. A good Debian attitude, IMHO.

> I always wondered why github was worth 7.5 billion to Microsoft [1].
> Surely it seemed a bit steep for "just" generating good will in the
> "open source" (as they choose to call it) community?
> 
> Of course, github succeeded in one thing: they managed to centralise
> git, which is inherently decentral. Many people these days see github
> as a synonym to git and can't bother to use git without github's
> shiny web interface.
> 
> This was, even before the acquisition, enough reason for me to keep
> as much distance as possible between github and myself.
> 
> But still, 7.5B?
> 
> Now, with github copilot [2], things start making sense: github users
> get support from an AI (GPT-3) for which Microsoft has an exclusive
> license (only the service is available for mere mortals).
> 
> They now have a strategic position on how code is written "out there",
> at least, they hope to have it.
> 
> Personally, I very much dislike the situation. It very much reminds
> me of "The Evitable Conflict" [3] from Isaac Asimov, with the little
> wart that Microsoft isn't bound by the Three Laws of Robotics, but
> just by their shareholder value :-)

Thank you for your coherent argument. I appreciate the concerns. For
now I can work with github in the limited way I do.

I like Asimov. I like the reference. Like 1984, is it the present or
the future?

-- 
Brian.

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Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real  hardware Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2021-07-24 22:40 +0200
  Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real  hardware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-25 09:40 +0200
    Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real  hardware Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 20:50 +0200
      [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest Debian  11 release candidate on real] hardware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-25 21:40 +0200
        Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-25 22:00 +0200
          Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-07-25 22:20 +0200
        Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-25 22:30 +0200
          Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-25 22:40 +0200
        Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-07-26 01:50 +0200
          Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-26 09:00 +0200
            Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-07-26 10:40 +0200
          Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-26 18:50 +0200
            Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-26 19:00 +0200
              Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-07-26 23:20 +0200
                Re: [OT] Why I don't like github [was: Please help to test latest  Debian 11 release candidate on real] hardware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-27 11:40 +0200
  Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real  hardware Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-27 03:00 +0200
    Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real hardware Andrey Ponomarenko <andrewponomarenko@yandex.ru> - 2021-08-11 17:20 +0200
  Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real  hardware Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 04:30 +0200

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