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Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode?

From Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode?
Date 2021-07-15 18:20 +0200
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	Hi.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 11:30:10AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Greg Wooledge [2021-07-15 07:00:40] wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 12:55:11PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> >> "nofail" is really needed for removable devices, because whoever
> >> designed systemd made an "interesting" decision to halt the boot process
> >> (i.e. host is inaccessible by network, console access only) even if a
> >> single filesystem mentioned in fstab fails to mount.
> > This was the traditional behavior before systemd, so one can't really
> > fault systemd for continuing the practice.
> 
> That's not my recollection.  AFAIK before systemd, you'd just get an
> error message and the boot would just (try to) continue.

My words exactly.


> I don't think systemd's decision is bad.

You have a remote server.
You modify fstab on that server.
You reboot a server after that, and maybe a lot of time had passed since
fstab modification.

Now you have a system that's inaccessible via SSH/VNC/whatever network
protocol you're using for remote access. Good luck unbricking this
system, especially if it does require a road trip. Or paying for renting
KVM. Or soldering UART, because manufacturer haven't exposed it to the
end user.

I cannot call that an improvement, because I do remember how it used to
work in Debian before systemd. To systemd's defence - RedHat version of
sysvinit did exactly the same in this regard.


Could be worse, I guess. One can render modern AIX unbootable by simply
adding inaccessible NFS mount to /etc/filesystems (they call /etc/fstab
this way). At least systemd is "smart" enough to avoid such pitfall.


> But I think it's implementation is not good enough: it should offer
> some kind of simple "continue y/n?" prompt.
> [ "Simple" for the user: the implementation might be not so simple.  ]

That'd change nothing important, really.
You'd have to be at the console to answer such question, you cannot just
boot somehow and fix things after via SSH.


> To be honest, I've added the `nofail` pretty much everywhere and hence
> haven't faced this problem recently, so for all I know, the
> implementation has already been improved.

Nope, it did not. I've faced similar problem just two days ago.
>From the upstream POV the current behaviour is correct, so there's
nothing to improve.

Reco

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How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 11:50 +0200
  Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-15 12:00 +0200
    Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-15 13:10 +0200
      Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-07-15 13:20 +0200
      Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-15 13:20 +0200
      Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-15 15:50 +0200
      Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-15 17:40 +0200
        Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-15 18:20 +0200
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    Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 14:00 +0200
      Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-15 14:00 +0200
        Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-15 17:50 +0200
          Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 20:40 +0200
            Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-15 21:10 +0200
              Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 22:20 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-15 22:30 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-16 06:50 +0200
        Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 20:10 +0200
          Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-15 20:30 +0200
            Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 20:40 +0200
              Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-15 21:10 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 22:20 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-16 07:10 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-21 13:30 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-21 13:50 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-21 13:50 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-07-21 21:20 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-27 09:30 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-27 10:20 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-27 13:40 +0200
            Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-15 20:50 +0200
              Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 21:10 +0200
                Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode? David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2021-07-16 07:50 +0200
  Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 13:40 +0200
  Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-15 18:10 +0200
    Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 21:00 +0200
      Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue Mode? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-15 21:40 +0200
        Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-07-15 22:20 +0200
          Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-16 06:50 +0200
      Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-16 06:50 +0200
        Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-16 13:40 +0200
          Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-07-16 17:20 +0200
            Re: How do I mount the USB stick containing the installer in Rescue  Mode? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-16 18:00 +0200

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