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Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster

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On 4/10/21, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed 07 Apr 2021 at 21:46:30 (+0000), Lee wrote:
>> On 4/7/21, Marco Ippolito <maroloccio@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Where I want output, I protect it with:
>> >>
>> >>     [ -n "$PS1" ] && printf …
>> >
>> > Maybe consider:
>> >
>> > 	[[ -t 1 ]] && printf ...
>>
>> Until your script that was started via crontab silently fails.  I
>> *like* always having error messages enabled.
>
> Here's the context, from Greg, again:
>
>> Writing error messages to stdout from a .profile isn't generally the
>> best idea.  Writing to stderr would be slightly better, but both of
>> them should be avoided in a permanent configuration if possible.
>> Profiles
>> that scribble to stdout or stderr during login can break things like scp.
>
> Agreed, you certainly don't want that to happen when they're doing
> their job non-interactively, because it could have major consequential
> effects.

Can you give an example of profiles that scribble to stderr during
login breaking things like scp?  I've tried to create that situation,
but can't.

>> As a *temporary* debugging measure, it's fine.
>
> My start-up files, .bash_profile, .bashrc, and other files that
> they source, contain permanent printf commands. When they finish
> printing their output, the next thing that's going to happen is
> that the shell will emit a prompt. So there's a certain elegance
> in using that very prompt as the condition.
>
> The thread, and my comment, was about the topic under discussion,
> startup files, not scripts in general.

The thread was started by Gene Heskett, so in my mind anything that
makes scripts more bullet-proof/easier to troubleshoot was relevant.
Especially the bit about there's no such thing as a temporary
debugging measure..  If nothing else, if you needed debugging output
once you'll probably need it again years from now when you move to a
new machine.

Regards,
Lee

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.profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-04-07 14:20 +0200
  Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-04-07 14:30 +0200
    Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-04-07 17:30 +0200
    Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-04-07 17:40 +0200
  Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-07 14:40 +0200
  Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-07 17:10 +0200
  Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2021-04-07 17:20 +0200
    Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-07 17:40 +0200
      Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-07 18:40 +0200
        Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Marco Ippolito <maroloccio@gmail.com> - 2021-04-07 23:20 +0200
          Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2021-04-07 23:50 +0200
            Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Marco Ippolito <maroloccio@gmail.com> - 2021-04-08 14:30 +0200
            Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-10 20:30 +0200
              Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2021-04-10 21:00 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-10 21:30 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-11 16:20 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-11 16:50 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2021-04-11 19:10 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-11 20:00 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-12 17:20 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-12 17:30 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-12 18:10 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-11 16:20 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-11 16:50 +0200
                Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-04-12 17:20 +0200
      Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2021-04-07 23:50 +0200
        Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-08 00:10 +0200
          Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-04-08 10:20 +0200
            Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-04-08 12:20 +0200
              Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-08 13:30 +0200
            Re: .profile not being src'd at login on uptodate buster Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-04-08 13:40 +0200

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