Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

From	"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?
Date	2021-03-07 22:30 +0100
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On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 04:06:07PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote:
> 
> > David Christensen wrote:
> > 
> >> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so
> >> a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old.  That is okay
> >> for a server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for
> >> a desktop. This implies UEFI firmware.
> > 
> > what has the graphic card to do with UEFI?
> 
> If you're not using an add-in graphics card, but are relying on
> integrated graphics, then the available graphics will depend on what you
> can get built in to the motherboard.
> 

If you _are_ using add in graphics, then you'll find that the latest cards
effectively tie into UEFI. You may possibly find that attempting to use
legacy/MBR may cause some problems.

> If the motherboard is old enough to not have UEFI, then the integrated
> graphics on that motherboard will be comparably old.
> 
> (And some motherboards - particularly server motherboards - may not even
> support add-in graphics cards at all. I wouldn't especially expect that,
> at least not since the demise of the AGP slot, but one never does know.)
> 
> > IMO UEFI makes sense when you have notebook with secureboot and probably
> > dual boot with windows.
> > For the home server or PC with Linux only ... IMO it is a waste.
> 
> What do you see as being the point / purpose / benefits of UEFI,
> especially in those circumstances where you do think it makes sense?
> 
Late model motherboard may only support UEFI = legacy support is deprecated.

> Because I'm trying to understand the perspective behind your statement,
> and so far not managing very much.
> 

Just my perspective - all best - Andy C.

> -- 
>    The Wanderer
> 
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw
>

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on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 06:10 +0100
  Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 06:10 +0100
    Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 07:50 +0100
      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2021-03-07 11:10 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:50 +0100
      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-07 19:20 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? John Boxall <jboxall47@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 19:50 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-07 23:50 +0100
          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-03-08 00:10 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-08 02:30 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-08 14:30 +0100
    Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-07 09:50 +0100
      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-07 10:00 +0100
      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-03-07 19:20 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-07 20:00 +0100
          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-09 11:00 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-09 16:00 +0100
              Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-09 17:00 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-09 18:50 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 11:00 +0100
      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 20:10 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-07 20:20 +0100
    Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-07 18:00 +0100
      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 19:10 +0100
  Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 14:20 +0100
    Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 19:00 +0100
      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-07 20:10 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 01:10 +0100
          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-08 01:20 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 01:40 +0100
              Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-08 02:40 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-08 03:10 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-08 03:40 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-09 05:40 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-09 06:20 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-03-09 14:20 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-09 14:40 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 11:00 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-03-10 12:30 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-03-09 18:10 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-03-09 22:20 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-03-09 16:10 +0100
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          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 01:30 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 01:40 +0100
              Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 01:50 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 02:00 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 02:10 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-08 02:40 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 02:40 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2021-03-08 18:30 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 02:00 +0100
              Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-09 11:20 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2021-03-08 09:20 +0100
              Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 14:00 +0100
          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-08 01:30 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 01:50 +0100
              Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-08 02:30 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 04:10 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-08 22:20 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2021-03-08 23:00 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 00:20 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-10 01:00 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2021-03-10 01:30 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-10 03:30 +0100
                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2021-03-10 06:20 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-03-08 20:40 +0100
          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-08 23:10 +0100
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      Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 22:00 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-03-07 22:10 +0100
          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-03-07 22:30 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 22:50 +0100
            Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-03-07 22:50 +0100
        Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-03-08 01:10 +0100
          Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-03-08 01:20 +0100
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                Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware,  recommendations? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-03-08 19:40 +0100
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