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Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 elvis wrote:
>
> On 25/6/20 1:31 pm, davidson wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>>> Dear users,
>>> 
>>> In the past days we saw multiple emails discussing about non
>>> Debian-related things and infringing the Code of Conduct[0] of the
>>> Project in the same time.
>> 
>> Oh, crap. I think I know what this is about. Sorry everybody.
>> 
>>> The Community Team would like to remind you that this Code of
>>> Conduct is to be followed when communicating on any Debian
>>> Discussion Medium, even by non Debian Members.
>>> 
>>> Following the CoC guidelines isn't hard, it's essentially about not
>>> being unrespectful to other people,
>> 
>> Oh god. Look, this is about my signature, isn't it?
>> 
>> It's a joke, man. A reductio ad absurdum, if you will.
>> 
>>> and it helps avoiding situations where any form of official
>>> moderation would be needed.
>> 
>> Woah, slow down. If you really think it's a problem, I can change the
>> sig. All you gotta do is ask.
>> 
>>> Anybody of course may have an opinion, but voicing it in
>>> disrespectful ways can't be accepted, as it could drive other
>>> members of the Community away.
>> 
>> Look, for the last time, it's not *my* opinion. It is (allegedly)
>> Horatio Nelson's. And the whole point is that it is a very, very DUMB
>> opinion. Held by nobody but chauvinist troglodytes that need to be
>> excluded from polite society for the good of all.
>
> ??? I guess you can hold that opinion

For the record, I do not. That was satire.

The extent which putative communities and the sanction of banishment
seem to co-occur alarms me. In my small corner of the world, I sense
that "community" the term, and banishment the sanction, are
increasingly overapplied.

It almost seems as if the less felicitous it is, to call the group in
question a community, the more frequent are the calls for banishment.

> if you have never studied or read about the period to put it in
> context.

Indeed I have not. I did once attempt David Webber's Honor Harrington
series of science fiction novels (space opera subgenre), whose
protagonist is reportedly based on Nelson. But I did not know this at
the time, and I did not get very far.

I would be grateful for any book recommendation that you think might
improve a patient reader's understanding of the historical context.

> To a student of the period it holds a subtle humour and is just a
> product of its times.

Thank you for this.

To me, oblivious to its original context, it sums up an authoritarian
syllogism, saying the "quiet part out loud":

   1. Firstly, you must always implicitly obey orders, without
      attempting to form any opinion of your own respecting their
      propriety.

[South Park's Cartman voice:] Obey mah authoritah!

A would-be authority that begins and ends here will fail. Such a state
of affairs must first be constructed. ("Firstly" is a lie. "Lastly"
would be the truth.)

   2. Secondly, you must consider every man your enemy who speaks ill
      of your king;

$king is just a variable, a placeholder for some sacred postulate, any
questioning of which is immediately met with overwhelming force.

   3. and thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman, as you do the devil.

$Frenchman is the placeholder for a handy quotidien scapegoat, used to
misdirect the mob's inherent resentment of authority.

$devil of course stands for the eternal (ie, imaginary/ideal)
scapegoat, useful to have around when no real $Frenchman will
plausibly serve.

-- 
What do you want to take off? [hrzF or ?*] F
You were wearing a +0 robe.  The frost giant turns to flee.

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Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-06-24 22:20 +0200
  Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-25 05:40 +0200
    Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-25 08:30 +0200
      Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-25 11:50 +0200
        Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-06-25 12:40 +0200
          Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-25 13:20 +0200
            Re: Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct] Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> - 2020-06-25 16:00 +0200
              Re: Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct] Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2020-06-25 17:00 +0200
                Re: Thank you [was: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct] Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2020-06-26 00:30 +0200
          Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-25 17:50 +0200
            Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-06-25 17:50 +0200
    Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-25 09:20 +0200
      Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-25 11:50 +0200
    Re: Reminder about the Debian Code of Conduct "Will Mengarini" <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2020-06-25 22:50 +0200

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