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Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages?

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On 9/17/2020 10:14 AM, Hans wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 17. September 2020, 17:01:29 CEST schrieb Joe:
> Hi Joe,
> 
> yes I know, this is normal for unstable. I am using debian/testing, which is
> close to unstable.
> 
> The point of my message was not the deinstallation of packages at all, but the
> deinstallation of packages which are still usefull for people without a
> substitute or a substitude with the same ease as the uninstalled package.

	If a package is deprecated, no longer maintained, there is not much to 
be done.  It sucks, I know very well, but what do you suggest?

	A very good example: SSMTP.  It was a great package.  It was simple (as 
the name suggests) and very straightforward.  The replacement?  MSMTP. 
It is extremely difficult to get the package to work properly and it is 
very buggy.

> Think of people, they do an upgrade after 2 years (or earlier) and their
> applications are gone.

	Yeah.  It sucks.  Even worse, many of the packages that do have 
"upgrades" are vastly inferior to the prior version.  Again, what do you 
suggest?

> Might be ok for experienced people (who are experienced
> in the console)

	No, it sucks.  Experience with anything notwithstanding.

> but this is not ok for people, who NEED graphical

	I submit people wjp "need" graphicalinterfaces should not be attempting 
to use a computer, especially not at the expense of those of us who have 
no use for a graphical interface.

> easy to use tools.

	The terms "graphical" and "easy to use" are an oxymoron.  The terms 
"uncceptably limited", "often impossible to use", and "graphical" are 
much more in line with one another.

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dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2020-09-17 12:50 +0200
  Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2020-09-17 13:10 +0200
  Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-09-17 17:10 +0200
    Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2020-09-17 17:20 +0200
      Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-09-17 17:30 +0200
        Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-09-17 23:00 +0200
      Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-09-17 18:10 +0200
        Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2020-09-18 11:40 +0200
          Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-09-18 17:30 +0200
      Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-09-17 19:20 +0200
      Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-09-17 21:00 +0200
      Re: dist-upgrade wants to deinstall lots of packages? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 09:40 +0200

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