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Re: aptitude why (Was: Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts)

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On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 7:42 AM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

> Urs Thuermann wrote:
> > $ aptitude why libpam-systemd
> > i   systemd Recommends libpam-systemd
> > $ aptitude why policykit-1 libpam-systemd
> > i A policykit-1 Depends libpam-systemd
> >
> > But now I see reason: policykit-1 is also installed only because
> > virt-manager *recommends* libvirt-daemon-system which depends on
> > policykit-1:
> >
> > $ aptitude why virt-manager libpam-systemd
> > i   virt-manager          Recommends libvirt-daemon-system (>= 1.2.7)
> > i A libvirt-daemon-system Depends    policykit-1
> > i A policykit-1           Depends    libpam-systemd
> >
> > But since that chain is longer, aptitude shows the recommendation of
> > systemd.  In the output of aptitude purge in my other mail I hadn't
> > realized that libvirt-daemon-system is also only automatically
> > installed.
>
> Interesting bit here: libvirt-daemon-system supplies the startup
> scripts for libvirtd, both sysvinit style and systemd style. It
> has no other function.
>
> If you want to use sysvinit *and* libvirtd, you either need to
> write your own scripts or extract them from the .deb and not
> install it, because the Depends will end up installing
> systemd-sysv and thus replacing init.
>

I wonder what our colleagues, over at Devuan are doing about this.  I
copied the Devuan Developers list, and will follow their responses on my
ProtonMail account.

>
> libvirt-daemon-system ought to be two packages, or the sysvinit
> scripts ought to be included with libvirt-daemon.
>
> In unstable, it becomes two packages.
>

Kenneth Parker

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After software update systemd runs into timeouts Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2020-08-05 13:20 +0200
  Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-08-05 15:50 +0200
    Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2020-08-05 18:10 +0200
  Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 16:50 +0200
    Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2020-08-05 18:30 +0200
      Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-08-05 22:10 +0200
        Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2020-08-05 23:20 +0200
          Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-08-06 02:40 +0200
            aptitude why (Was: Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts) Urs Thuermann <urs@isnogud.escape.de> - 2020-08-06 10:20 +0200
              Re: aptitude why (Was: Re: After software update systemd runs into  timeouts) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-08-06 13:50 +0200
                Re: aptitude why (Was: Re: After software update systemd runs into timeouts) Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-08-06 15:40 +0200
                Re: aptitude why (Was: Re: After software update systemd runs into  timeouts) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-08-07 04:10 +0200

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