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Re: Package integration date into repository

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On Tue 28 Apr 2020 at 12:26:53 (-0400), Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:20:26AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Mon 27 Apr 2020 at 01:12:29 (+0200), l0f4r0@tuta.io wrote:
> > > 26 avr. 2020 à 09:09 de andreimpopescu@gmail.com:
> > > 
> > > > The changelog does not necessarily show when the package was uploaded, 
> > > > e.g. the package maintainer could prepare an upload (including the 
> > > > changelog entry) and upload days/weeks/months later.
> > > >
> > > > After uploading the package also has to be (re)built before becoming 
> > > > available on the mirrors.
> > > >
> > > Interesting. I'm not sure it makes things easier for me... ;)
> > > 
> > > > What are you trying to achieve?
> > > >
> > > I just would like to make some correlation between when new code is publicly available (through GitHub for example) and when it's integrated into official Debian repositories.
> > > 
> > > Maybe I can use section "news" on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/my_package? I suppose there is no mention of stable (only experimental, unstable, testing and backports) into this section because testing becomes stable when the latter is released? If true, it would be handy to mark somewhere the transition between both repositories though.
> > > 
> > > NB: we can take a common example if it's easier to understand each other: copyq
> > 
> > Perhaps what you want is something like this:
> > 
> >  copyq-doc_3.7.3-1_all.deb 2019-02-08 17:40  890K  
> [SNIP]
> > 
> 
> That is giving you the date/time of that particular version of the
> package.

The OP has already said that they "could rely on the version numbering
instead", so I assumed the version number is important to them.

> If the maintainer makes some Debian-only tweaks (e.g., to fix
> something in a maintainer script) or cherry-picks an upstream commit and
> drops it into the Debian patch series for the package, then updates
> releases that updated Debian package, that will most likely be version
> 3.7.3-2 with some other date.
> 
> Depending on how you interpret the version number and date, it could
> provide misleading information on the "correlation between when new code
> is publicly available ... and when it's integrated into official Debian
> repositories."

Before a package reaches this web page, it's going to be associated
with timestamps all the way along the chain. I have no idea which one
the OP is trying to determine, but I hadn't seen this timestamp
mentioned. It's up to them to interpret whichever timestamps they
choose to use.

>From my viewpoint _as a user_, a package becomes "integrated into a
repository" when apt-get update can index it and upgrade can fetch it.
(Obviously I'd have to have sid ± experimental in my sources.list for
the benefit of the update.) Examining this directory short-circuits
that necessity, because AFAIK they all slop about in the pool.

Cheers,
David.

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Package integration date into repository l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-04-25 23:00 +0200
  Re: Package integration date into repository Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2020-04-25 23:20 +0200
    Re: Package integration date into repository Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-04-26 01:40 +0200
    Re: Package integration date into repository l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-04-26 01:40 +0200
  Re: Package integration date into repository Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-26 09:20 +0200
    Re: Package integration date into repository l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-04-27 01:20 +0200
      Re: Package integration date into repository Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-27 08:40 +0200
        Re: Package integration date into repository l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-04-28 14:00 +0200
      Re: Package integration date into repository David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-28 17:30 +0200
        Re: Package integration date into repository Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-04-28 18:30 +0200
          Re: Package integration date into repository David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-04-28 20:50 +0200

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