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Debian SHA-1 deprecation

Started byDaniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro>
First post2016-05-18 15:30 +0200
Last post2016-05-19 09:40 +0200
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  Debian SHA-1 deprecation Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2016-05-18 15:30 +0200
    Re: Debian SHA-1 deprecation Elmar Stellnberger <estellnb@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 17:20 +0200
      Re: Debian SHA-1 deprecation Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-19 03:30 +0200
    Re: Debian SHA-1 deprecation Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-19 03:20 +0200
      Re: Debian SHA-1 deprecation Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2016-05-19 09:40 +0200

#4806 — Debian SHA-1 deprecation

FromDaniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro>
Date2016-05-18 15:30 +0200
SubjectDebian SHA-1 deprecation
Message-ID<rA9HX-2GR-7@gated-at.bofh.it>

Can anybody comment on how Debian users will be impacted by SHA-1
deprecation?

In particular:

- will libraries like OpenSSL and GnuTLS continue to support it in
stretch and beyond?

- will web servers like Apache support it in server certificates or
certificate chains?

- will web servers and other applications accept client certificates
containing SHA-1 hashes?

- if support for SHA-1 is being removed or disabled by default, will it
also be disabled in security updates to jessie and wheezy LTS?

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#4808

FromElmar Stellnberger <estellnb@gmail.com>
Date2016-05-18 17:20 +0200
Message-ID<rAbqr-3On-61@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#4806
Am 2016-05-18 um 15:20 schrieb Daniel Pocock:
>
>
> Can anybody comment on how Debian users will be impacted by SHA-1
> deprecation?
>
> In particular:
>
> - will libraries like OpenSSL and GnuTLS continue to support it in
> stretch and beyond?
>
> - will web servers like Apache support it in server certificates or
> certificate chains?
>
> - will web servers and other applications accept client certificates
> containing SHA-1 hashes?
>
> - if support for SHA-1 is being removed or disabled by default, will it
> also be disabled in security updates to jessie and wheezy LTS?
>

   Besides these issues; has anyone ever thought of deprecating md5sum-s 
in package headers and using sha256sums instead? That would be of great 
help for tools like debsums or https://www.elstel.org/debcheckroot.

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#4817

FromPaul Wise <pabs@debian.org>
Date2016-05-19 03:30 +0200
Message-ID<rAkWJ-1pH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#4808
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Elmar Stellnberger wrote:

>   Besides these issues; has anyone ever thought of deprecating md5sum-s in
> package headers and using sha256sums instead? That would be of great help
> for tools like debsums or https://www.elstel.org/debcheckroot.

AFAIK the md5sums in binary package files aren't intended to be a
security feature. The package metadata already uses SHA-2.

debcheckroot doesn't look like something that could ever do something
useful, there are so many files in a Debian rootfs that are
dynamically generated from package maintainer scripts rather shipping
in the package itself. Run cruft-ng and you will see just how much.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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#4816

FromPaul Wise <pabs@debian.org>
Date2016-05-19 03:20 +0200
Message-ID<rAkN3-1lh-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#4806
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:

> Can anybody comment on how Debian users will be impacted by SHA-1
> deprecation?

There is some info related to that in these two wiki pages:

https://wiki.debian.org/SHA-1
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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#4819

FromDaniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro>
Date2016-05-19 09:40 +0200
Message-ID<rAqIN-5bD-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#4816

On 19/05/16 03:17, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> 
>> Can anybody comment on how Debian users will be impacted by SHA-1
>> deprecation?
> 
> There is some info related to that in these two wiki pages:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/SHA-1


The way that page is structured today, it mixes things about how SHA-1
is used in Debian infrastructure (e.g. for the SPI CA) and how it is
used in some of the software we distributed (e.g. in Git)

Maybe we need to break it into separate sections:
- SHA-1 in Debian infrastructure and workflows
- SHA-1 in Debian packages

Are there any useful discussions about the deprecation of MD-5 that we
could link to, to give people an understanding of how things will change
or how they should change?


> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Apt/Sha1Removal
> 

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