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  State of Debian cloud accounts Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2019-07-05 11:40 +0200
    Re: State of Debian cloud accounts Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2019-08-24 15:10 +0200
      Re: State of Debian cloud accounts Semih Özlem <semozl@gmail.com> - 2019-08-24 18:40 +0200
        Re: State of Debian cloud accounts kuLa <debian@kulisz.net> - 2019-08-26 21:20 +0200

#10709 — State of Debian cloud accounts

Hi folks

I would like to share with you the state of our new cloud provider
relations and accounts for Debian.

At the last cloud team sprint, we decided to switch how we want to
handle contractual relations with cloud providers.  In the past they
where either held by individuals (for AWS) or external corporations (for
Azure).  In the future this should all be handled by SPI as Debian's
legal entity.

This means that we had to setup new contracts and new accounts with the
cloud providers.

For Azure this change is complete.  SPI is now a Microsoft Partner.  In
this capacity it got assigned the publisher id "debian" for Debian.  We
will use this id to publish Buster and future releases.

For AWS this change could not be finished in time for the Buster
release.  We have contracts and accounts ready.  However Amazon did not
yet manage to associate this accounts with their organization.  This
organization is used primarily for billing, so we could use the new
accounts, but we would need to pay for it.

Kind regards,
Bastian

-- 
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#10890

Hi folks

A small update on the current state.

On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 11:12:53AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> For AWS this change could not be finished in time for the Buster
> release.  We have contracts and accounts ready.  However Amazon did not
> yet manage to associate this accounts with their organization.  This
> organization is used primarily for billing, so we could use the new
> accounts, but we would need to pay for it.

AWS managed to finish the account setup.  We can now properly use them
now and finally prepare the Buster stuff.

Kind regards,
Bastian

-- 
Totally illogical, there was no chance.
		-- Spock, "The Galileo Seven", stardate 2822.3

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#10891

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Hi,

How are you?
I am wondering how contracts regarding cloud will influence future of
debian project? Will live versions that do not depend on an internet
connection continue to exist, or is there a drift to making everything
cloud-based. I personally believe that it is important to maintain both,
(i) maintaining option to be able to work in case one can not afford or
perfers to be able to work alone for parts of project (ii) not relying on
cloud entirely is keeping options open (and not letting monopoly or
oligopoly rule but maybe people do not agree with these views or
perspectives. (does it violate the spirit of free and open source) I am not
trying to be controversial or raise tantrum, just wondering views.
but I am wondering what people's opinions are and why,

I am a phd student in pure mathematics with interest in programming and
linux.

I have been working with linux for the past few years, and i have only
tried versions of debian and have not installed a debian system yet but
worked from live version or installed other linux systems (some offshoots
of debian)

I would like to get involved in debian specifically education aspects, and
I am working on small scripts/programs to download deb files for installing
programs, as time allows. I am also considering in near future to get more
involved with linux, but I have questions regarding either stability or
safety or security of linux systems and their compatibility with a system
that has windows installed on it. Some people around me seem concerned that
linux systems may be not completely reliable as windows for laptops, but I
do not really want to buy their argument, and I would like to settle the
reasons for either slowdown or waiting of computers. Depending on answers I
find, I might be interested in being more involved with debian project.

I would be interested in hearing from anyone regarding these questions, and
if there are more appropriate lists or people for addressing these
questions.

Semih Ozlem

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> A small update on the current state.
>
> On Fri, Jul 05, 2019 at 11:12:53AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> > For AWS this change could not be finished in time for the Buster
> > release.  We have contracts and accounts ready.  However Amazon did not
> > yet manage to associate this accounts with their organization.  This
> > organization is used primarily for billing, so we could use the new
> > accounts, but we would need to pay for it.
>
> AWS managed to finish the account setup.  We can now properly use them
> now and finally prepare the Buster stuff.
>
> Kind regards,
> Bastian
>
> --
> Totally illogical, there was no chance.
>                 -- Spock, "The Galileo Seven", stardate 2822.3
>
>

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#10893

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On 2019-08-24 19:36:08, Semih Özlem wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How are you?
> I am wondering how contracts regarding cloud will influence future of debian
> project? Will live versions that do not depend on an internet connection
> continue to exist, or is there a drift to making everything cloud-based. I
> personally believe that it is important to maintain both, (i) maintaining
> option to be able to work in case one can not afford or perfers to be able to
> work alone for parts of project (ii) not relying on cloud entirely is keeping
> options open (and not letting monopoly or oligopoly rule but maybe people do
> not agree with these views or perspectives. (does it violate the spirit of free
> and open source) I am not trying to be controversial or raise tantrum, just
> wondering views.
> but I am wondering what people's opinions are and why,

First I think that this kind of question should be dropped into debian-devel
where it could kick off a fairly interesting conversation but to at least
partly answer your question I really believe that as long as Debian exits it
will be always available for offline installation.
So it still will have to be download of the internet but further installation
as is now will be possible in offline mode.

snip

> I would like to get involved in debian specifically education aspects, and I am
> working on small scripts/programs to download deb files for installing
> programs, as time allows. I am also considering in near future to get more
> involved with linux, but I have questions regarding either stability or safety
> or security of linux systems and their compatibility with a system that has
> windows installed on it. Some people around me seem concerned that linux
> systems may be not completely reliable as windows for laptops, but I do not
> really want to buy their argument, and I would like to settle the reasons for
> either slowdown or waiting of computers. Depending on answers I find, I might
> be interested in being more involved with debian project.

There are thousands of people running Linux exclusively on their hardware
including laptops for day to day work, entertainment, etc. (I'm one of them).
There are also people running in dual boot modes where Windows and Linux are
available on the same host and all seams to be working perfectly well most of
the time.

If you're interested in Debian for educational purposes have a look at
Skolelinux/Debian-Edu (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/) I'm pretty sure that
team in there will appreciate help.

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