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  Debian Videos Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-06-28 21:10 +0200
    Re: Debian Videos Leonel Salazar Videaux <leonel.lordford@gmail.com> - 2019-06-29 20:00 +0200
    Re: Debian Videos Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2019-07-10 18:50 +0200

#10618 — Debian Videos

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Speaking as an individual developer.

One of my coworkers, Matt Tennie, will be attending his first
Debconf this year.  He has a lot of video production experience .

He's been asking me questions about Debian, and somewhere along the way
we realized it would be great to make available answers to common
questions in a very accessible format.

I think an example could illustrate.

Matt asked me when gstreamer 0.16 would make its way into buster.  "It
won't," I said and moved on with whatever I was doing.

The next day he came back and said he really wanted to understand
better, because it didn't make any sense at all that we wouldn't want
the latest software.
So I started to explain about stability guarantees and stable releases.
I talked about hand reviewing changes during the release.  We  looked
at the reverse dependencies of gstreamer.  I talked about how even in
the best cases sometimes changes break a reverse dependency by
accident.  Then I talked about APIs and ABIs and started talking about
the cost in terms of man power of actually pulling in a change.

But to make a long story short, I gave the 10 minute version of  why do
we value stable releases, and what all is involved in that.

Matt and I were talking about how it would be fun to capture things like
this in videos and help users or new contributors understand what makes
Debian.

I think examples might include:

* The stable release discussion we already had

* When to use packaged software vs upstream software

* Why is it so hard to make a package for Debian

* Why it is involved to become a Debian developer (and how you can
  contribute with less effort if desired)

* Debian vs crates/gems/eggs/CPAN/what have you

I'm sure there are lots of these.

If we did succeed in something like this I'm imagining releasing content
both on a libre platform of some kind as well as youtube.
Mostly I wanted to float the idea, get input.  Also wondering if anyone
would be interested in meeting to discuss this at Debconf.


--Sam

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#10622

Hello there,

this will be my first DebConf too, and reading your message I wonder a 
lot of similar questions, of course this will lead to some extra (but 
valuable) work, and having people with experience editing and producing 
multimedia content will give the project a chance to make more impact in 
new and old Debian users (both to learn and teach better).

For my part I'll be more than happy to participate in a discussion like 
this one as a new user looking for better experiences on how to learn.

See you in Curitiba.

Leonel.


On 6/28/19 3:05 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
> 
> Speaking as an individual developer.
> 
> One of my coworkers, Matt Tennie, will be attending his first
> Debconf this year.  He has a lot of video production experience .
> 
> He's been asking me questions about Debian, and somewhere along the way
> we realized it would be great to make available answers to common
> questions in a very accessible format.
> 
> I think an example could illustrate.
> 
> Matt asked me when gstreamer 0.16 would make its way into buster.  "It
> won't," I said and moved on with whatever I was doing.
> 
> The next day he came back and said he really wanted to understand
> better, because it didn't make any sense at all that we wouldn't want
> the latest software.
> So I started to explain about stability guarantees and stable releases.
> I talked about hand reviewing changes during the release.  We  looked
> at the reverse dependencies of gstreamer.  I talked about how even in
> the best cases sometimes changes break a reverse dependency by
> accident.  Then I talked about APIs and ABIs and started talking about
> the cost in terms of man power of actually pulling in a change.
> 
> But to make a long story short, I gave the 10 minute version of  why do
> we value stable releases, and what all is involved in that.
> 
> Matt and I were talking about how it would be fun to capture things like
> this in videos and help users or new contributors understand what makes
> Debian.
> 
> I think examples might include:
> 
> * The stable release discussion we already had
> 
> * When to use packaged software vs upstream software
> 
> * Why is it so hard to make a package for Debian
> 
> * Why it is involved to become a Debian developer (and how you can
>    contribute with less effort if desired)
> 
> * Debian vs crates/gems/eggs/CPAN/what have you
> 
> I'm sure there are lots of these.
> 
> If we did succeed in something like this I'm imagining releasing content
> both on a libre platform of some kind as well as youtube.
> Mostly I wanted to float the idea, get input.  Also wondering if anyone
> would be interested in meeting to discuss this at Debconf.
> 
> 
> --Sam
> 

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#10739

Hi Sam,

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 09:50:09PM +0200, Kyle Robbertze wrote:
> Hi Sam,
> 
> On 2019/06/28 21:05, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > If we did succeed in something like this I'm imagining releasing content
> > both on a libre platform of some kind as well as youtube.
> > Mostly I wanted to float the idea, get input.  Also wondering if anyone
> > would be interested in meeting to discuss this at Debconf.
> 
> The Debconf video team has been talking about the idea of using Peertube
> to present the Debian meetings archive videos [1] in a more user
> friendly way. This same platform could be used for these videos too.
> 
> [1] https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/

I spent some time last weekend working on an AGPLv3 video player in
Angular[1]. It doesn't require any server side, but it does display much
of the metadata in the metadata archive. This seems more achievable than
a peertube instance to me, as peertube wants to store all the videos
which we've already put online somewhere in its own private storage
system, which to me seems like a waste of space and bandwidth.

I'm hoping this might be useful somewhere down the road, but it still
needs a few features to be implemented to be really handy; notably, it
currently doesn't have an angular routing module, which means that it
kinda sorta breaks the back button, and you can't deeplink to a
particular video.

<https://angular.io/>. Unfortunately, it's not in Debian yet, because
JavaScript, but once the dependencies are packaged, I might fix that.

-- 
To the thief who stole my anti-depressants: I hope you're happy

  -- seen somewhere on the Internet on a photo of a billboard

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