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  On Mediation and Warnings Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-01-04 14:00 +0100
    Re: On Mediation and Warnings Andrej Shadura <andrew@shadura.me> - 2019-01-04 15:30 +0100
    Re: On Mediation and Warnings Rhonda D'Vine <rhonda@deb.at> - 2019-01-04 16:40 +0100
      Re: On Mediation and Warnings Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-01-20 07:20 +0100
        Re: On Mediation and Warnings Rhonda D'Vine <rhonda@deb.at> - 2019-01-21 13:10 +0100

#10116 — On Mediation and Warnings

Dear all,

In light of recent emails and personal communications, I want to make
one thing crystal clear, especially in the light of DAM Enrico Zini
writing:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Enrico Zini wrote:
> [feel free to quote or forward this message, and my message that started
> this thread, outside of -private]
[..]
>  - When these kinds of issues get to DAM, they are often escalated
>    beyond mediation, and a lot of energy has already been spent and
>    frustrated in all sorts of attempts, by multiple people, to make
>    things better; attempts that failed, or it wouldn't have reached DAM.

and Russel Stuart proposing a expulsion procedure with ..

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019, Russell Stuart wrote:
> Therefore I suggest we alter the expulsion process to give three
> warnings, with no more than 5 years (pick a number) between the first
> and the last, and no less than 1 month (pick a number) between

What I want to make clear that I have received in total
	5 (five)
personal messages from DPL/DAM/AH Teams:

Message 1
21 Sep 2018 17:20:22 +0100 From: DPL Chris Lamb 
===============================================

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018, Chris Lamb wrote:
[...]
> referring to someone as an "it" crosses an arbitrary line for me:
[...]
> I have therefore temporarily disabled your blog from the Planet Debian
> aggregator. Removal of this phrase would be sufficient for
> reinstatement.

Message 2
21 Sep 2018 22:13:06 +0200 From: Laura Arjona Reina
(not sent from the AH Team address!)
===================================================
> Quoting from http://sage.thesharps.us/
> "Use my new name (Sage) and my correct pronouns (they/them)".
> Please refer to a person or name that person in the way that person prefers.

I changed the pronoun that very day

Message 3
24 Sep 2018 08:30:58 +0100 From: DPL Chris Lamb
===============================================
> Reverted in 27ebfff. (I was away for the weekend)

(that was the whole message besides quotes of my email)


Message 4
27 Nov 2018 15:45:54 +0100 From: Laura Arjona Reina
(not sent from the AH Team address!)
===================================================

Announcing the removal of my blog from Planet Debian.
I have answered to her email asking for clarifications, but have *never*
received an answer.

The original message can be found in
	20181225161353.GA10000@burischnitzel.preining.info


Message 5
17 Dec 2018 21:23:22 +0100 From: Debian Account Managers
========================================================

Announcing my expulsion. The original message has been attached to
the above message posted.




I leave the interpretation to the reader.

Best

Norbert

--
PREINING Norbert                               http://www.preining.info
Accelia Inc.     +    JAIST     +    TeX Live     +    Debian Developer
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#10119

Hi Norbert,

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 14:12, Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> wrote:
<snip>
> I leave the interpretation to the reader.

My interpretation: you still think your treatment was unjust and
you’ve done nothing wrong.
Which confirms that you probably still don’t understand that your
behaviour have been indeed unacceptable to many, and for long time.
While some people haven’t had any problem with what you’ve been
writing and the writing style of yours, many other people, myself
included, did not consider it okay even if they didn’t complain to AH
or anyone else officially.

You should accept that you’ve made mistakes and understand that you
cannot continue behaving that way, and take actions to correct that.

By arguing that it was all okay you’re actually only making the
argument for your (I hope temporary) expulsion, not against.

-- 
Cheers,
  Andrej

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#10123

* Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> [2019-01-04 13:55:35 CET]:
> Message 2
> 21 Sep 2018 22:13:06 +0200 From: Laura Arjona Reina
> (not sent from the AH Team address!)
> ===================================================
> > Quoting from http://sage.thesharps.us/
> > "Use my new name (Sage) and my correct pronouns (they/them)".
> > Please refer to a person or name that person in the way that person prefers.
> 
> I changed the pronoun that very day

 But still ignore the part about the first name.  Is that something you
might also be willing to adjust?

 Thanks,
Rhonda
-- 
Fühlst du dich mutlos, fass endlich Mut, los      |
Fühlst du dich hilflos, geh raus und hilf, los    | Wir sind Helden
Fühlst du dich machtlos, geh raus und mach, los   | 23.55: Alles auf Anfang
Fühlst du dich haltlos, such Halt und lass los    |

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#10290

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019, Rhonda D'Vine wrote:
>  But still ignore the part about the first name.  Is that something you
> might also be willing to adjust?

I had it already adjusted since some time.

Norbert

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PREINING Norbert                               http://www.preining.info
Accelia Inc.     +    JAIST     +    TeX Live     +    Debian Developer
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#10292

* Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> [2019-01-20 07:16:07 CET]:
> On Fri, 04 Jan 2019, Rhonda D'Vine wrote:
> >  But still ignore the part about the first name.  Is that something you
> > might also be willing to adjust?
> 
> I had it already adjusted since some time.

 You hadn't at the time of the writing, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
Your blog says updated Jan 13th, so I assume you did it then.  Please
don't make it sound like you adjusted it before I asked, that doesn't
really help and is untrue.

 Thanks,
Rhonda
-- 
Fühlst du dich mutlos, fass endlich Mut, los      |
Fühlst du dich hilflos, geh raus und hilf, los    | Wir sind Helden
Fühlst du dich machtlos, geh raus und mach, los   | 23.55: Alles auf Anfang
Fühlst du dich haltlos, such Halt und lass los    |

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