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  How the Debian project organises itself Greg Harvey <greg.harvey@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 14:20 +0200
    Re: How the Debian project organises itself Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 14:40 +0200
      Re: How the Debian project organises itself Greg Harvey <greg.harvey@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 15:40 +0200
        Re: How the Debian project organises itself Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-10-01 15:50 +0200
          Re: How the Debian project organises itself Greg Harvey <greg.harvey@gmail.com> - 2017-10-01 18:40 +0200
          Re: How the Debian project organises itself Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-10-02 04:40 +0200

#9520 — How the Debian project organises itself

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Hi there,

My company uses Debian for all our hosting (see
https://www.debian.org/users/com/codeenigma) but we're also Drupal
specialists in the web development world. I have an idea for a talk, as
Drupal has been having a lot of pain recently around how the community is
organised, etc. I'd like to find out more about how other communities do
it, so since we're also big Debian users, I figured asking Debian would be
smart! :-)

Does anyone have time to talk to me / can anyone point me at someone (or
materials) that can talk me through how Debian is organised? Would be a
useful first step for comparison!


Kind rgds,

Greg

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#9521

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Greg Harvey wrote:

> Does anyone have time to talk to me / can anyone point me at someone (or
> materials) that can talk me through how Debian is organised? Would be a
> useful first step for comparison!

I'm not entirely sure what kind of info you are looking for, hope this helps:

The Debian Constitution defines how some core parts of the project are
organised:

https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution

Beyond that there are teams and individual contributors, who all
organise themselves according to their own priorities and needs (or
those of their employers):

https://www.debian.org/intro/organization
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams
https://contributors.debian.org/

We have codes of conduct for Debian itself and for individuals in the
context of contributing to Debian:

https://www.debian.org/social_contract
https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

Most of our communication happens on mailing lists, IRC, at the annual
conference and other events:

https://lists.debian.org/
https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
https://debconf.org/
https://wiki.debian.org/MiniDebConf

We delegate some things to external entities:

https://wiki.debian.org/ExternalEntities

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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#9522

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Thanks Paul, there's some really great stuff there (worth a read, LordFord).

I'm still left wondering about a few practical things though - for example,
how is hosting things like the VCS, the mirrors, etc. organised and paid
for (or maybe it isn't paid for, hence the partners?) Who organises
official events and how are they organised? Who funds events, if anyone?
This sort of stuff... maybe it's all outsourced to SPI?

Curious about this, as in Drupal there's "the Drupal Association" which is
a centralised organisation that basically handles all this stuff - but in
consequence, it also needs a pretty big operating budget! Wondering how
Debian avoid this, or how they manage it, if it's simply unavoidable for a
large FOSS project?


Cheers,

Greg

On 1 October 2017 at 14:38, Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Greg Harvey wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have time to talk to me / can anyone point me at someone (or
> > materials) that can talk me through how Debian is organised? Would be a
> > useful first step for comparison!
>
> I'm not entirely sure what kind of info you are looking for, hope this
> helps:
>
> The Debian Constitution defines how some core parts of the project are
> organised:
>
> https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution
>
> Beyond that there are teams and individual contributors, who all
> organise themselves according to their own priorities and needs (or
> those of their employers):
>
> https://www.debian.org/intro/organization
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams
> https://contributors.debian.org/
>
> We have codes of conduct for Debian itself and for individuals in the
> context of contributing to Debian:
>
> https://www.debian.org/social_contract
> https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
>
> Most of our communication happens on mailing lists, IRC, at the annual
> conference and other events:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/
> https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
> https://debconf.org/
> https://wiki.debian.org/MiniDebConf
>
> We delegate some things to external entities:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/ExternalEntities
>
> --
> bye,
> pabs
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
>

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#9523

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On Sun, 2017-10-01 at 15:14 +0200, Greg Harvey wrote:

> I'm still left wondering about a few practical things though - for
> example, how is hosting things like the VCS, the mirrors, etc. 
> organised and paid for (or maybe it isn't paid for, hence the
> partners?)

Each service has an admin team and the Debian sysadmin team run the
systems that the services run on using hosting provided gratis by our
hosting partners and hardware either provided gratis by our hardware
partners or purchased through general Debian funding.

The mirrors are hosted and run by organisations around the world who
want to have faster access to the Debian archive, or want their
customers or users to use less external bandwidth.

https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors

> Who organises official events and how are they organised?

The annual Debian conference is organised in a different location each
year by a new local team, who are advised by the global team.

https://wiki.debconf.org/

Other events are organised by local groups and Debian contributors.

> Who funds events, if anyone?

Events are funded through Debian's general funding, which comes from
donations and sponsorship of the annual Debian conference.

> This sort of stuff... maybe it's all outsourced to SPI?

SPI is one of our "Trusted Organisations", each of which holds assets
on our behalf and enters into agreements where we need a legal entity.
Some of these have paid staff members and others are volunteer based.

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Treasurer/Organizations

> Wondering how Debian avoid this, or how they manage it, if it's
> simply unavoidable for a large FOSS project?

Most of the TOs take a percentage of donations to their member projects
in order to cover their costs.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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#9524

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Thanks again, Paul. Great stuff. I'll have a good read. :-)

On 1 October 2017 at 15:42, Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 2017-10-01 at 15:14 +0200, Greg Harvey wrote:
>
> > I'm still left wondering about a few practical things though - for
> > example, how is hosting things like the VCS, the mirrors, etc.
> > organised and paid for (or maybe it isn't paid for, hence the
> > partners?)
>
> Each service has an admin team and the Debian sysadmin team run the
> systems that the services run on using hosting provided gratis by our
> hosting partners and hardware either provided gratis by our hardware
> partners or purchased through general Debian funding.
>
> The mirrors are hosted and run by organisations around the world who
> want to have faster access to the Debian archive, or want their
> customers or users to use less external bandwidth.
>
> https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors
>
> > Who organises official events and how are they organised?
>
> The annual Debian conference is organised in a different location each
> year by a new local team, who are advised by the global team.
>
> https://wiki.debconf.org/
>
> Other events are organised by local groups and Debian contributors.
>
> > Who funds events, if anyone?
>
> Events are funded through Debian's general funding, which comes from
> donations and sponsorship of the annual Debian conference.
>
> > This sort of stuff... maybe it's all outsourced to SPI?
>
> SPI is one of our "Trusted Organisations", each of which holds assets
> on our behalf and enters into agreements where we need a legal entity.
> Some of these have paid staff members and others are volunteer based.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Treasurer/Organizations
>
> > Wondering how Debian avoid this, or how they manage it, if it's
> > simply unavoidable for a large FOSS project?
>
> Most of the TOs take a percentage of donations to their member projects
> in order to cover their costs.
>
> --
> bye,
> pabs
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
>

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#9525

A few more extra links that I forgot in my last mail are below:

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

> Each service has an admin team and the Debian sysadmin team run the
> systems that the services run on using hosting provided gratis by our
> hosting partners and hardware either provided gratis by our hardware
> partners or purchased through general Debian funding.

https://dsa.debian.org/
https://wiki.debian.org/Services

> Other events are organised by local groups and Debian contributors.

https://wiki.debian.org/BSP
https://wiki.debian.org/MiniDebConf

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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