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Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

Started byJonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>
First post2017-08-05 02:10 +0200
Last post2017-08-12 17:40 +0200
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  Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-05 02:10 +0200
    Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-08-05 15:50 +0200
      Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial  service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <bas@wijnen.dtdns.net> - 2017-08-06 09:30 +0200
      Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-06 17:30 +0200
    Bug#856139: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-06 14:20 +0200
      Bug#856139: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-08-06 14:40 +0200
      Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 20:20 +0200
        Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 21:00 +0200
          Debian packages advertising non-free services (was: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service) Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 01:40 +0200
            Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 07:40 +0200
              Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-08 07:50 +0200
                Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 09:00 +0200
                Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 10:10 +0200
              Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 08:20 +0200
        Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-08 05:50 +0200
          Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2017-08-11 14:10 +0200
            Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-11 17:00 +0200
            Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 00:00 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial  service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-12 05:50 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 08:30 +0200
                Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 09:00 +0200
                  Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 09:40 +0200
                    Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 10:00 +0200
                Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 10:10 +0200
                  Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 11:20 +0200
                    Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 12:10 +0200
                      Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:20 +0200
                      Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-13 22:10 +0200
                        Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2017-08-13 23:10 +0200
                          Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 02:30 +0200
                        Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 02:30 +0200
                          Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 14:10 +0200
                            Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-14 15:00 +0200
                              Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 15:10 +0200
                                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
                          Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
                            Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2017-08-14 19:40 +0200
                              Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 19:50 +0200
                    Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 12:10 +0200
                      Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2017-08-12 16:00 +0200
                        Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 16:20 +0200
                          Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2017-08-12 16:50 +0200
                  win32-loader (was: Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service) Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:00 +0200
                Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:40 +0200

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#9416 — Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

FromChristian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de>
Date2017-08-12 16:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?
Message-ID<udFqF-1Rz-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#9415
Hi,

I don't have anything useful to add to your other comments, but:

On 08/12/2017 02:11 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Christian Seiler 
>>> [free CPU designs]
>>> (although I'm sure there are...)
>>
>> There are, take a look at RISC-V, for example. [1] And for the
>> requirement about not requiring non-free software, you don't need
>> to have a fully free CPU design, just one where the microcode is
>> free. And I believe that current POWER CPUs fall under that
>> category. (I may be wrong though.)
> 
> Doesn't help if it's not packaged in Debian, though.

Well, if I'm not wrong about POWER, that's supported in Debian
as a release arch (ppc64el).

Regards,
Christian

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#9417 — Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

FromTollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no>
Date2017-08-12 16:50 +0200
SubjectRe: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?
Message-ID<udFTH-22H-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#9416
]] Christian Seiler 

> Hi,
> 
> I don't have anything useful to add to your other comments, but:
> 
> On 08/12/2017 02:11 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > ]] Christian Seiler 
> >>> [free CPU designs]
> >>> (although I'm sure there are...)
> >>
> >> There are, take a look at RISC-V, for example. [1] And for the
> >> requirement about not requiring non-free software, you don't need
> >> to have a fully free CPU design, just one where the microcode is
> >> free. And I believe that current POWER CPUs fall under that
> >> category. (I may be wrong though.)
> > 
> > Doesn't help if it's not packaged in Debian, though.
> 
> Well, if I'm not wrong about POWER, that's supported in Debian
> as a release arch (ppc64el).

I was talking about the microcode for said arch (which doesn't seem to
be packaged, or at least not in main, from a quick apt-cache search).

-- 
Tollef Fog Heen
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are

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#9418 — win32-loader (was: Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service)

FromDidier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org>
Date2017-08-12 17:00 +0200
Subjectwin32-loader (was: Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service)
Message-ID<udG3o-26s-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#9411
Le samedi, 12 août 2017, 10.06:40 h EDT Christian Seiler a écrit :
> win32-loader probably doesn't run on Wine or ReactOS (though I haven't
> tried it, so I may be wrong here) - should that be in contrib if that's
> the case?

win32-loader runs fine on wine, for what is worth. It's also built entirely 
within Debian main, of course.

(Actually, it probably works best on wine rather than any too recent Windows, 
because of bootloader changes, SecureBoot, etc)

    OdyX

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#9420 — Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service

FromTobias Frost <tobi@debian.org>
Date2017-08-12 17:40 +0200
SubjectRe: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service
Message-ID<udGG6-2Bj-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#9407
Am Samstag, den 12.08.2017, 06:29 +0000 schrieb Dr. Bas Wijnen:
> First of all, a clarification: This post (like most in this thread)
> is
> primarily about Debian's philosophy, not about certspotter (but I do
> talk about
> that at the end as well).  For this reason, I'm not CC'ing the bug.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 05:26:58PM -0400, Faidon Liambotis wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 08:03:09AM -0400, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > If a free software implementation of the remote service exists
> > > that a
> > > package can work with, then it can remain in main. If not, it
> > > cannot.
> > 
> > There are no free software server-side implementation of e.g. the
> > ICQ
> > protocol, as far as I know, but multiple client-side
> > implementations in
> > main.
> 
> That is a bug as far as I'm concerned; a client designed purely (or
> mostly) for
> such a non-free service should not be in main.

A quick search on $SEARCHENGINE revealed me IServerd, which seems to be
a FLOSS ICQ server implementation. (http://iserverd.khstu.ru/)
Didnt investigate further than looking at the page, so no idea if it
actually works. Its BSD though.

> > 

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