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  Any Debian support for CubaConf Valessio Brito <contato@valessiobrito.com.br> - 2016-02-23 22:20 +0100
    Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-02-24 11:40 +0100
    Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2016-02-25 11:20 +0100
      Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org> - 2016-02-27 04:10 +0100
        Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2016-02-27 09:20 +0100
          Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2016-02-28 14:00 +0100
            Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2016-02-28 14:20 +0100
    Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Valessio Brito <contato@valessiobrito.com.br> - 2016-05-11 01:20 +0200
      Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Amey Abhyankar <sco1984@gmail.com> - 2016-05-11 08:40 +0200
      Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-11 14:40 +0200
        Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2016-05-12 04:40 +0200
      Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-05-11 14:40 +0200
      Re: Any Debian support for CubaConf Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2016-05-16 11:20 +0200

#8526 — Any Debian support for CubaConf

Hello guys,

How Debian could make a support for realization of CubaConf[1]?

CubaConf = Conferencia Internacional de Software Libre April 25-27 -
Cuban Art Factory Havana/Cuba

Is sponsoring a Debian Developer to attend/talking the event or
collaborating with some of the expenses. I know we have such limited
resources. But the values are not very supportive[2].

Personally, already I requested the production of 50 Debian t-shirts.
I will sell at cost price (~$8) as an incentive to promotion of Debian Project.
Or have a InstallFest[3], and each computer with Debian wins a t-shirt free.

I think the important thing for the success of the event is to have
Debian developers participating. Anyone DD near Cuba, go to CubaConf.
Plz!


[1] http://www.cubaconf.org/
[2] http://www.cubaconf.org/sponsoring/
[3] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Installfest-HOWTO/introduction.html


Best regards,
Valessio Brito

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#8528

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Valessio Brito wrote:

> CubaConf = Conferencia Internacional de Software Libre April 25-27 -
> Cuban Art Factory Havana/Cuba

You might want to re-send this mail to this mailing list:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-events-ha/

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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#8529

On 23/02/16 22:13, Valessio Brito wrote:
> Hello guys,
> 
> How Debian could make a support for realization of CubaConf[1]?
> 
> CubaConf = Conferencia Internacional de Software Libre April 25-27 -
> Cuban Art Factory Havana/Cuba
> 
> Is sponsoring a Debian Developer to attend/talking the event or
> collaborating with some of the expenses. I know we have such limited
> resources. But the values are not very supportive[2].
> 
> Personally, already I requested the production of 50 Debian t-shirts.
> I will sell at cost price (~$8) as an incentive to promotion of Debian Project.
> Or have a InstallFest[3], and each computer with Debian wins a t-shirt free.
> 
> I think the important thing for the success of the event is to have
> Debian developers participating. Anyone DD near Cuba, go to CubaConf.
> Plz!
> 

Maybe it is worthwhile for the DPL to simply assign a sum of money for
travel grants every 3 - 6 months and then people could shortlist all the
opportunities like this, identify if there are volunteers who want to go
and find some way to divide the money up fairly between them?

The MiniDebConfs in Brazil and Singapore have already been mentioned in
a thread last week, there is also a MiniDebConf in Vienna soon and all
of these appear interesting.

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#8530

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Daniel Pocock dijo [Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:10:15AM +0100]:
> Maybe it is worthwhile for the DPL to simply assign a sum of money for
> travel grants every 3 - 6 months and then people could shortlist all the
> opportunities like this, identify if there are volunteers who want to go
> and find some way to divide the money up fairly between them?
> 
> The MiniDebConfs in Brazil and Singapore have already been mentioned in
> a thread last week, there is also a MiniDebConf in Vienna soon and all
> of these appear interesting.

With the important difference that it's not the same to have Debian
presence at an external, general conference than holding a
Debian-specific miniconf.

FWIW, I'm *not* implying we should refrain from supporting
CubaConf. In fact, I was privately contacted by Valessio, as I'm among
the closest DDs to the island;I denied because the dates are
impossible to me.

Also worth noting: Back in 2011, I went to PGDay in Cuba, together
with other three people with a PostgreSQL affiliation. PostgreSQL is a
SPI-hosted project as well. SPI was, however, unable to reimburse our
travel due to the US-Cuba embargo.

I know the relations between said nations is on its way to
renormalization, but AFAICT the embargo is still active, so we should
better check with lawyers if we are to offer reimbursement to anybody
to attend.

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#8531

On 27/02/16 04:05, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Daniel Pocock dijo [Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:10:15AM +0100]:
>> Maybe it is worthwhile for the DPL to simply assign a sum of
>> money for travel grants every 3 - 6 months and then people could
>> shortlist all the opportunities like this, identify if there are
>> volunteers who want to go and find some way to divide the money
>> up fairly between them?
>> 
>> The MiniDebConfs in Brazil and Singapore have already been
>> mentioned in a thread last week, there is also a MiniDebConf in
>> Vienna soon and all of these appear interesting.
> 
> With the important difference that it's not the same to have
> Debian presence at an external, general conference than holding a 
> Debian-specific miniconf.
> 

That would be one factor in comparing events when there are several
competing demands for funds.  Some non-Debian events also offer
partial or full funding to speakers and so it is not always being
requested from Debian.

> FWIW, I'm *not* implying we should refrain from supporting 
> CubaConf. In fact, I was privately contacted by Valessio, as I'm
> among the closest DDs to the island;I denied because the dates are 
> impossible to me.
> 
> Also worth noting: Back in 2011, I went to PGDay in Cuba, together 
> with other three people with a PostgreSQL affiliation. PostgreSQL
> is a SPI-hosted project as well. SPI was, however, unable to
> reimburse our travel due to the US-Cuba embargo.
> 
> I know the relations between said nations is on its way to 
> renormalization, but AFAICT the embargo is still active, so we
> should better check with lawyers if we are to offer reimbursement
> to anybody to attend.
> 

Debian does not have an exclusive relationship with SPI, the audit
committee wiki page[1] lists several Debian trust organizations in
European countries.

The lawyer may also need to advise on issues such as:
- can US citizens be involved in discussions about such funding?
- can infrastructure in the US be used to discuss such funding (e.g.
mailing lists, wiki, or the BTS)

Whatever the legal advice, Debian would also need to be careful not to
give sponsors in the US the impression that their funds could
accidentally be used in this way.

Maybe somebody could just end up in Cuba by mistake[2] though.


1. https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Auditor
2. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35259429

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#8532

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On Sat, 2016-02-27 at 09:18 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> 
> On 27/02/16 04:05, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
[...]
> > FWIW, I'm *not* implying we should refrain from supporting 
> > CubaConf. In fact, I was privately contacted by Valessio, as I'm
> > among the closest DDs to the island;I denied because the dates are 
> > impossible to me.
> > 
> > Also worth noting: Back in 2011, I went to PGDay in Cuba, together 
> > with other three people with a PostgreSQL affiliation. PostgreSQL
> > is a SPI-hosted project as well. SPI was, however, unable to
> > reimburse our travel due to the US-Cuba embargo.
> > 
> > I know the relations between said nations is on its way to 
> > renormalization, but AFAICT the embargo is still active, so we
> > should better check with lawyers if we are to offer reimbursement
> > to anybody to attend.
> > 
> 
> Debian does not have an exclusive relationship with SPI, the audit
> committee wiki page[1] lists several Debian trust organizations in
> European countries.

The Debian UK Society reimbursed one DD for attending a conference in
Cuba, in 2006.  (Reported here:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00000.html )

> The lawyer may also need to advise on issues such as:
> - can US citizens be involved in discussions about such funding?
> - can infrastructure in the US be used to discuss such funding (e.g.
> mailing lists, wiki, or the BTS)
[...]

That's pretty damn meta.

The legalities should all have been discussed back then, and given the
relaxing of sanctions since then I would hope we could safely follow
the same process now.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
Knowledge is power.  France is bacon.

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#8533

On 28/02/16 13:50, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-02-27 at 09:18 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> 
>> On 27/02/16 04:05, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> [...]
>>> FWIW, I'm *not* implying we should refrain from supporting 
>>> CubaConf. In fact, I was privately contacted by Valessio, as
>>> I'm among the closest DDs to the island;I denied because the
>>> dates are impossible to me.
>>> 
>>> Also worth noting: Back in 2011, I went to PGDay in Cuba,
>>> together with other three people with a PostgreSQL affiliation.
>>> PostgreSQL is a SPI-hosted project as well. SPI was, however,
>>> unable to reimburse our travel due to the US-Cuba embargo.
>>> 
>>> I know the relations between said nations is on its way to 
>>> renormalization, but AFAICT the embargo is still active, so we 
>>> should better check with lawyers if we are to offer
>>> reimbursement to anybody to attend.
>>> 
>> 
>> Debian does not have an exclusive relationship with SPI, the
>> audit committee wiki page[1] lists several Debian trust
>> organizations in European countries.
> 
> The Debian UK Society reimbursed one DD for attending a conference
> in Cuba, in 2006.  (Reported here: 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00000.html
> )
> 
>> The lawyer may also need to advise on issues such as: - can US
>> citizens be involved in discussions about such funding? - can
>> infrastructure in the US be used to discuss such funding (e.g. 
>> mailing lists, wiki, or the BTS)
> [...]
> 
> That's pretty damn meta.
> 

If Debian is handling money, even indirectly, it is just as important
as the "non-US" stuff that used to be done for crypto[1]

If any US-based DD runs foul of the law or if any DD is given special
treatment at a US airport then this is something that could come back
to bite[2]

The Wikipedia article simply states[3] it is "illegal for U.S.
citizens to have transactions in Cuba"

It is not just Cuba.  At the time that Iran's sanctions were lifted,
the US quietly brought in regulations that punish Europeans who go to
any conference or holiday in Iran[4].  So if Debian is truly
"universal" and worldwide, we will always have to be conscious of such
things that may impact participants who travel.




1. https://wiki.debian.org/non-US
2. http://latinamericanstudies.org/us-cuba/canadian.htm
3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba#Restrictions_on_tourism_by_U.S._citizens_and_residents
4.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/us/politics/us-expands-restrictions-on-visa-waiver-program-for-visitors.html?_r=0

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#8634

Folks,

Cuba + Debian is a perfect match! The realization of CubaConf.org was a success.

I made a video to show some of the best moments[1]

This email is also a support request for reimbursement for the cost I
had with the shirts, if possible.

A Cuban could not pay $8 or $5 as I had thought for the shirt. A Cuban
programmer earns about $20 a month and should pay $2 per 1 hour
internet.

Altogether 50 Debian shirts were gifted for Cuban and a few
Venezuelans and Colombians who attended the event.  Some can be seen
in photos[3].

A total less than $300 USD[2].

I would be happy if Debian could help me with this expense.


Hugs,
Valessio Brito

[1] Video:  http://valessiobrito.com.br/cubaconf/CubaConf2016.mkv
[2] Invoice: http://valessiobrito.com.br/cubaconf/NF-Camisetas.jpg
[3] Photos:
http://nuvem.valessiobrito.com.br/index.php/apps/gallery/s/c6ZTqvVZayT96z4


2016-02-23 18:13 GMT-03:00 Valessio Brito <contato@valessiobrito.com.br>:
> Hello guys,
>
> How Debian could make a support for realization of CubaConf[1]?
>
> CubaConf = Conferencia Internacional de Software Libre April 25-27 -
> Cuban Art Factory Havana/Cuba
>
> Is sponsoring a Debian Developer to attend/talking the event or
> collaborating with some of the expenses. I know we have such limited
> resources. But the values are not very supportive[2].
>
> Personally, already I requested the production of 50 Debian t-shirts.
> I will sell at cost price (~$8) as an incentive to promotion of Debian Project.
> Or have a InstallFest[3], and each computer with Debian wins a t-shirt free.
>
> I think the important thing for the success of the event is to have
> Debian developers participating. Anyone DD near Cuba, go to CubaConf.
> Plz!
>
>
> [1] http://www.cubaconf.org/
> [2] http://www.cubaconf.org/sponsoring/
> [3] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Installfest-HOWTO/introduction.html
>
>
> Best regards,
> Valessio Brito

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#8635

On 11 May 2016 at 04:48, Valessio Brito <contato@valessiobrito.com.br> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Cuba + Debian is a perfect match! The realization of CubaConf.org was a success.

Cool. Amazing!

>
> I made a video to show some of the best moments[1]

Thanks for your efforts in capturing,compiling & uploading the video &
photos too.

At my end, [i.e. Mumbai,India] video is buffering a lot if I play via
web browser using VLC. [over 400mbps+ internet connection of major ISP
in India]
Probably because the server don't have replica in Asia/Europe or OSPF
& caching isn't happened/happening yet in between.  :-)
I downloaded the video & it's playing without any issue. ^_^
Pls upload the video on Debian servers in Europe if possible.

>
> This email is also a support request for reimbursement for the cost I
> had with the shirts, if possible.
>
> A Cuban could not pay $8 or $5 as I had thought for the shirt. A Cuban
> programmer earns about $20 a month and should pay
>$2 per 1 hour internet.
5~6 years back in India also,we had to pay around US$2 per hour for
internet & so on downloading any updates/patches/new release of Debian
via internet was out of the question :-/
I can imagine, same issue Debian developers/users/enthusiasts in Cuba
facing currently.
I hope they can receive DVD's of latest Debian release via postal
service from South American countries.

Regards,
Amey.
>
> Altogether 50 Debian shirts were gifted for Cuban and a few
> Venezuelans and Colombians who attended the event.  Some can be seen
> in photos[3].
>
> A total less than $300 USD[2].
 >
> I would be happy if Debian could help me with this expense.
>
>
> Hugs,
> Valessio Brito
>
> [1] Video:  http://valessiobrito.com.br/cubaconf/CubaConf2016.mkv
> [2] Invoice: http://valessiobrito.com.br/cubaconf/NF-Camisetas.jpg
> [3] Photos:
> http://nuvem.valessiobrito.com.br/index.php/apps/gallery/s/c6ZTqvVZayT96z4
>
>
> 2016-02-23 18:13 GMT-03:00 Valessio Brito <contato@valessiobrito.com.br>:
>> Hello guys,
>>
>> How Debian could make a support for realization of CubaConf[1]?
>>
>> CubaConf = Conferencia Internacional de Software Libre April 25-27 -
>> Cuban Art Factory Havana/Cuba
>>
>> Is sponsoring a Debian Developer to attend/talking the event or
>> collaborating with some of the expenses. I know we have such limited
>> resources. But the values are not very supportive[2].
>>
>> Personally, already I requested the production of 50 Debian t-shirts.
>> I will sell at cost price (~$8) as an incentive to promotion of Debian Project.
>> Or have a InstallFest[3], and each computer with Debian wins a t-shirt free.
>>
>> I think the important thing for the success of the event is to have
>> Debian developers participating. Anyone DD near Cuba, go to CubaConf.
>> Plz!
>>
>>
>> [1] http://www.cubaconf.org/
>> [2] http://www.cubaconf.org/sponsoring/
>> [3] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Installfest-HOWTO/introduction.html
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Valessio Brito
>

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#8637

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Paul Wise wrote:

> I've asked #debconf-video to include this in the Debian video archive.

They ask:

If that was the only Debian video from cubaconf?

What is the licence for the video?

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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#8639

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On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 08:36:23PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Paul Wise wrote:
> 
> > I've asked #debconf-video to include this in the Debian video archive.
> 
> They ask:
> 
> If that was the only Debian video from cubaconf?

There was no official video infra for the conference. However, I've seen
a few attendees recording some talks with good cameras. I'll contact one
of them soon and ask.

Valessio, Tassia and I organized a 'Micro DebConf' in the third day,
which was a success. We're really impressed with the amount of Debian
enthusiasts in the event (given that it was not a Debian event), from
high profile Cuban developers to historians and anthropologists with
strong understanding of Debian as a project. We made some very amateur
videos that need to be edited before released. We're trying to get life
a bit organized and then we'll share with the world our wonderful
experience in CubaConf.

I support Valessio's reimbursement request. Valessio was really generous
by printing and bringing himself so many Debian t-shirts and stickers to
our Cuban friends. He was expecting to sell some for a little price in
order to cover part of his expenses, but reality sometimes doesn't match
with our expectations.

Bests,

-- 
tiago

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#8638

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Valessio Brito wrote:

> This email is also a support request for reimbursement for the cost I
> had with the shirts, if possible.
...
> I would be happy if Debian could help me with this expense.

Please check out this section of the DPL wiki:

https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DPL#Money

> I made a video to show some of the best moments[1]
> [1] Video:  http://valessiobrito.com.br/cubaconf/CubaConf2016.mkv

I've asked #debconf-video to include this in the Debian video archive.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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#8640

Hi Valessio,

On 11/05/2016 01:18, Valessio Brito wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Cuba + Debian is a perfect match! The realization of CubaConf.org was a
> success.
> 
> I made a video to show some of the best moments[1]
> 
> This email is also a support request for reimbursement for the cost I had
> with the shirts, if possible.
> 
> A Cuban could not pay $8 or $5 as I had thought for the shirt. A Cuban 
> programmer earns about $20 a month and should pay $2 per 1 hour internet.
> 
> Altogether 50 Debian shirts were gifted for Cuban and a few Venezuelans and
> Colombians who attended the event.  Some can be seen in photos[3].
> 

FWIW, I really appreciate the work you're doing and I am happy to see
so much FOSS (and Debian) enthusiasts in Cuba. But really, the way this
expense has been handled is not acceptable. Expenses should be thoroughly
studied, and pre-approved (to double check its relevance and viability).
Please, let's avoid similar situations in the future.

> A total less than $300 USD[2].
> 

I will approve the reimbursement _this time_, but I expect future requests
to follow standard rules (and be more thought-out). The reimbursement
procedure can be found here:

   https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DPL/Reimbursement

Regards,

-- 
Mehdi

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