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| Started by | Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| First post | 2015-12-01 14:20 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-12-02 02:40 +0100 |
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Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-01 14:20 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 14:20 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 15:20 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 15:40 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 16:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-01 18:20 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> - 2015-12-02 23:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 16:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 20:50 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 21:10 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Clint Adams <clint@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 21:20 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2015-12-01 23:30 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2015-12-02 02:40 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash "Joel W. Shea" <jwshea@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 05:40 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2015-12-03 09:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-22 12:50 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ana Guerrero Lopez <ana@debian.org> - 2015-12-22 14:50 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-22 15:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2015-12-02 10:30 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2015-12-02 09:30 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Riley Baird <BM-2cVqnDuYbAU5do2DfJTrN7ZbAJ246S4XiX@bitmessage.ch> - 2015-12-02 09:50 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 15:30 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-01 16:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2015-12-01 17:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-01 21:00 +0100
Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2015-12-02 02:40 +0100
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| From | Riley Baird <BM-2cVqnDuYbAU5do2DfJTrN7ZbAJ246S4XiX@bitmessage.ch> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 09:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qBbgR-4Mq-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #8357 |
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On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 09:27:36 +0100 Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> wrote: > > > On 01/12/15 15:17, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Tue, 01 Dec 2015, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Could Debian as a project sign up ? Conservancy is a 503(c), like > >> SPI, so perhaps we in Debian could commit a modest regular funding > >> stream to Conservancy. > > > > +1 > > > > We have troubles finding good use of our money. This one should not > > cause any problem to anyone. > > > > Keeping some money in savings is a good use for money, even if it > doesn't seem like it. Having a little bit more than needed in reserve > is always better than having a little bit less than needed. If reserves > were too low then there would be extra stress for people whenever making > decisions about money and at some point that becomes counter-productive. +1 Also, having such an attitude to money might discourage people from donating.
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| From | Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-01 15:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qAU6n-2l1-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #8338 |
On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 01:17:53PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: > Conservancy is an amazingly good thing. They are the only > organisation doing GPL enforcement for non-FSF projects. Where can I read some examples about this? -- WBR, wRAR
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| From | Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-12-01 16:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qAUzn-2vH-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #8341 |
Andrey Rahmatullin writes ("Re: Software Freedom Conservancy needs our cash"):
> On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 01:17:53PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Conservancy is an amazingly good thing. They are the only
> > organisation doing GPL enforcement for non-FSF projects.
>
> Where can I read some examples about this?
The biggest example right now is the VMware lawsuit:
https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/oct/28/vmware-update/
There is more on their `news' page:
https://sfconservancy.org/news/
https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/oct/01/compliance-principles/
https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/aug/17/debian/
https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/jul/15/ubuntu-ip-policy/
https://sfconservancy.org/news/2015/mar/31/libreplanet/
etc.
And also on their copyleft compliance summary:
https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/
Individual compliance actions are often not public because one of the
things that the GPL licensor who wants a a violator to come into
compliance, can offer, is avoidance of the embarrassment of a public
dispute.
Ian.
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| From | Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-01 17:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qAVvs-38i-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #8341 |
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 01:17:53PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: >> Conservancy is an amazingly good thing. They are the only >> organisation doing GPL enforcement for non-FSF projects. > Where can I read some examples about this? Their supporter page lists their 2015 successes: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/ -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
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| From | "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-12-01 21:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qAZfI-5yU-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #8338 |
On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 01:17:53PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: > As reported here: > https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/ > > Conservancy is an amazingly good thing. They are the only > organisation doing GPL enforcement for non-FSF projects. They are > facing financial problems because one of their major donors has > withdrawn. Conservancy's determination to make the GPL stick, by > lawsuit if necessary, is not popular amongst rich corporates. > > I have just signed up. I think any Debian contributor who believes in > copyleft, and can afford it, should probably sign up too. > Signed up yesterday to take advantage of the anonymous offer for matched funds for several subscriptions :) > If, like me, you work on copylefted software in your day job, or you > hope to do so in the future, the GPL is for you not just an important > tool to help change the world, but also an assurance of your personal > autonomy. > > > Could Debian as a project sign up ? Conservancy is a 503(c), like > SPI, so perhaps we in Debian could commit a modest regular funding > stream to Conservancy. > It might be a little more complicated than that given our own 501(c) status, I think (but I am no longer a lawyer end never was an American tax lawyer. > Debian depends heavily on GPL'd software and most of the > Debian-specific tools we have written over the years are copyleft. We > depend on our copyleft being enforced to ensure that all users of > Debian (including users of Debian derivatives) have the freedoms that > our community (and our Social Contract) promise. > > Debian's presence in the list of sponsors would be valuable as an > example, too. > But everybody already knows we care about Free software All the very best to all, AndyC > > Ian.
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| From | Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 02:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qB4yJ-y3-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #8349 |
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:48 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > It might be a little more complicated than that given our own 501(c) > status, I think (but I am no longer a lawyer end never was an American > tax lawyer. Debian has no legal status, perhaps you are thinking of SPI? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
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