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  Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2026-05-28 11:40 +0200
    Re: Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Matthias Geiger <werdahias@riseup.net> - 2026-05-28 13:00 +0200
      Re: Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2026-05-28 13:30 +0200
        Re: Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2026-05-28 22:20 +0200
    Re: Should we have a debian-network mailing list? "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2026-05-29 10:50 +0200

#14352 — Should we have a debian-network mailing list?

Hi,

networking has always been an important part of building a Linux 
distribution, and nowadays in the world of VMs and containers and many 
different ways to bring up a network this is a constant cause of 
friction between packages. the different ways of building firewalls 
plays a big role.

otoh, we do not have a general mailing list for network issues. We have 
debian-ipv6 and debian-firewall, the latter not having had ontopic 
traffic since 2022.

Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Or is the networking topic 
so important that network issues should be discussed on debian-devel 
proper?

Independently of this decision, is it time now to sunset the debian-ipv6 
and the debian-firewall mailing list due to the low traffic? Both ipv6 
and firewalls are no longer a corner topic inside networking, both 
topics have become intrinsic part of networking in Linux.

What do we do?

Greetings
Marc

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On Thu, 28 May 2026 09:11, Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>networking has always been an important part of building a Linux 
>distribution, and nowadays in the world of VMs and containers and many 
>different ways to bring up a network this is a constant cause of 
>friction between packages. the different ways of building firewalls 
>plays a big role.
>
>otoh, we do not have a general mailing list for network issues. We have 
>debian-ipv6 and debian-firewall, the latter not having had ontopic 
>traffic since 2022.
>
>Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Or is the networking topic 
>so important that network issues should be discussed on debian-devel 
>proper?
>
Should this only discuss technical decisions, or also provide user 
support?
>Independently of this decision, is it time now to sunset the 
>debian-ipv6 and the debian-firewall mailing list due to the low 
>traffic? Both ipv6 and firewalls are no longer a corner topic inside 
>networking, both topics have become intrinsic part of networking in 
>Linux.
>
Seems sensible to me.

best,

werdahias

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On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 12:28:11PM +0200, Matthias Geiger wrote:
>On Thu, 28 May 2026 09:11, Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> wrote:
>>Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Or is the networking 
>>topic so important that network issues should be discussed on 
>>debian-devel proper?
>>
>Should this only discuss technical decisions, or also provide user 
>support?

Discussion amonug technically knowledgeable people and package 
maintainers. For example, I'd like to discuss the dependencies of 
systemd units of a firewall management suite and network management 
tools like s-n or n-m.

Do we have lists beyond *-user-* that provide user support?

Greetings
Marc

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On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 01:04:16PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 12:28:11PM +0200, Matthias Geiger wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 May 2026 09:11, Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> wrote:
> > > Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Or is the networking
> > > topic so important that network issues should be discussed on
> > > debian-devel proper?
> > > 
> > Should this only discuss technical decisions, or also provide user
> > support?
> 
> Discussion amonug technically knowledgeable people and package maintainers.


There is such (sub)group in Debian.  I'm part of it.

(Insert here the joke "I'm doing secret work, so secret
even I don't know what I' doing" )

The IRC channel is #debian-network there is a wish for a mailinglist.

What the status of the ML is, don't I know by heart.
Probably the agreement on"somebody should do it"
and waiting for someone who is not aware that   :-/


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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Thanks for raising this.

On Thu May 28, 2026 at 8:11 AM BST, Marc Haber wrote:
> Should we have a debian-network mailing list? Or is the networking 
> topic so important that network issues should be discussed on 
> debian-devel proper?

I prefer to see lists (or wikis or IRC channels or...) created to _move_ 
an existing discussion to, once there's a demonstrated interest. So I 
would not object to raising these on -devel. (-devel is pretty quiet 
these days!). But I wouldn't object to the new list. I just think the 
chance of success is higher with the former approach.

> Independently of this decision, is it time now to sunset the 
> debian-ipv6 and the debian-firewall mailing list due to the low 
> traffic? Both ipv6 and firewalls are no longer a corner topic inside 
> networking, both topics have become intrinsic part of networking in 
> Linux.

Sounds sensible to me.



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