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Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer

Started bycallmetango <cmtango@proton.me>
First post2025-11-04 19:00 +0100
Last post2025-11-13 04:40 +0100
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  Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer callmetango <cmtango@proton.me> - 2025-11-04 19:00 +0100
    Re: Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-11-04 20:10 +0100
      Re: Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer callmetango <cmtango@proton.me> - 2025-11-07 17:40 +0100
    Re: Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> - 2025-11-05 00:50 +0100
      Re: Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer callmetango <cmtango@proton.me> - 2025-11-13 04:40 +0100

#14018 — Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer

Fromcallmetango <cmtango@proton.me>
Date2025-11-04 19:00 +0100
SubjectClaim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer
Message-ID<LNtu1-as4H-11@gated-at.bofh.it>

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Hello,

I'm callmetango, one of the XLibre [1] maintainers. I didn't come here to talk about the packaging of XLibre in Debian. I came here to talk about these two things only:

1. The claim of Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> that the XLibre "authors" are actively conducting a hate campaign against a Debian developer. [2]
2. The statement of Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> of receiving threatening e-mails sent by people involved in XLibre. [3]

## 1. Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer

On Oct 3, 2025, at 16:27:03 UTC, a person named Gunnar Wolf posted the following message to this mailing list [2]:

> There is known history of the XLibre authors actively conducting a hate campaign that resulted in a strong personal prejudice (economically and socially) to a Debian Developer, and that campaign carried on to try to further harm them.
>
> Of course I am not talking in the name of the project. I cannot.
>
> But I strongly support Debian not willing to engage with toxic developers.

For us, this is a strong allegation, and we take it very seriously. Our internal investigation has so far found no evidence that any member of the XLibre core team could have done such a thing.

We therefore kindly ask Gunnar Wolf to provide us with data and facts that can prove his claim by stating who did what, when, where, and (if possible) why.

When doing so, could Gunnar Wolf please also clarify who he means by “XLibre authors”? Our organization consists of over 10 core team members, who represent XLibre publicly. Otherwise, there is a variable number of contributors who work at their own discretion without representing the organization itself.

We regret that neither Gunnar Wolf nor anyone else contacted us directly when they had this suspicion so that we could have reacted quickly. However, we also believe that once this matter has been clarified, a public statement should be issued here, as the matter has been made public here too.

## 2. Statement of Receiving Threatening E-Mails

On Oct 4, 2025, at 10:41:47 UTC, a person named Antoine Le Gonidec posted the following message to this mailing list [3]:

> Just so the kind of people involved in XLibre is made more obvious: I already started to get threatening e-mails from them following the couple messages I sent to this mailing list.
>
> This is the kind of behaviour that would be encouraged by any DD working on or sponsoring work related to XLibre.

We unequivocally condemn any threats made in the name of XLibre. In this regard, we kindly ask Antoine Le Gonidec to forward the emails in question to my address cmtango@proton.me . We will analyze them and take the appropriate measures. Once we have done so, we offer to publish a statement here as well.

## Closing Remarks

We hope for friendly and constructive communication in order to resolve the matter as quickly as possible. We, the XLibre Project, are interested in peaceful cooperation.

Both of the above issues are being tracked at https://github.com/X11Libre/misc/issues/419.

Thank you
callmetango
XLibre project

## Appendix: References

[1] https://github.com/X11Libre
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2025/10/msg00022.html
[3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2025/10/msg00030.html

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#14019

FromGunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org>
Date2025-11-04 20:10 +0100
Message-ID<LNuzL-at1R-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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callmetango dijo [Mon, Nov 03, 2025 at 08:45:53PM +0000]:
>## 1. Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer
>
>On Oct 3, 2025, at 16:27:03 UTC, a person named Gunnar Wolf posted the
>following message to this mailing list [2]:
> (...)
>For us, this is a strong allegation, and we take it very seriously. Our
>internal investigation has so far found no evidence that any member of the
>XLibre core team could have done such a thing.
>
>We therefore kindly ask Gunnar Wolf to provide us with data and facts that
>can prove his claim by stating who did what, when, where, and (if
>possible) why.

Given I am not willing to share this information, which I consider to be
treated as utmostly(?) private, I hereby retract from any statement or
accusation I did to that effect.

>When doing so, could Gunnar Wolf please also clarify who he means by
>“XLibre authors”? Our organization consists of over 10 core team members,
>who represent XLibre publicly. Otherwise, there is a variable number of
>contributors who work at their own discretion without representing the
>organization itself.

I am sorry, I am not familiar with you project or its organization.

>We regret that neither Gunnar Wolf nor anyone else contacted us directly
>when they had this suspicion so that we could have reacted
>quickly. However, we also believe that once this matter has been
>clarified, a public statement should be issued here, as the matter has
>been made public here too.

No need for that. Consider as if I said nothing.

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#14021

Fromcallmetango <cmtango@proton.me>
Date2025-11-07 17:40 +0100
Message-ID<LOxFf-bcR8-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#14019
Hello,

On Tuesday, November 4th, 2025 at 2:48 PM, Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> wrote:
> callmetango dijo [Mon, Nov 03, 2025 at 08:45:53PM +0000]:
> 
> > ## 1. Claim of XLibre Hate Campaign Against Debian Developer
> > 
> > On Oct 3, 2025, at 16:27:03 UTC, a person named Gunnar Wolf posted the
> > following message to this mailing list [2]:
> > (...)
> > For us, this is a strong allegation, and we take it very seriously. Our
> > internal investigation has so far found no evidence that any member of the
> > XLibre core team could have done such a thing.
> > 
> > We therefore kindly ask Gunnar Wolf to provide us with data and facts that
> > can prove his claim by stating who did what, when, where, and (if
> > possible) why.
> 
> 
> Given I am not willing to share this information, which I consider to be
> treated as utmostly(?) private, I hereby retract from any statement or
> accusation I did to that effect.
> 
> > When doing so, could Gunnar Wolf please also clarify who he means by
> > “XLibre authors”? Our organization consists of over 10 core team members,
> > who represent XLibre publicly. Otherwise, there is a variable number of
> > contributors who work at their own discretion without representing the
> > organization itself.
> 
> 
> I am sorry, I am not familiar with you project or its organization.
> 
> > We regret that neither Gunnar Wolf nor anyone else contacted us directly
> > when they had this suspicion so that we could have reacted
> > quickly. However, we also believe that once this matter has been
> > clarified, a public statement should be issued here, as the matter has
> > been made public here too.
> 
> 
> No need for that. Consider as if I said nothing.

Thank you for your reply! We consider this part as resolved.


Regards
callmetango
XLibre project

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#14020

FromAntoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org>
Date2025-11-05 00:50 +0100
Message-ID<LNyWJ-avPn-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Le Mon, Nov 03, 2025 at 08:45:53PM +0000, callmetango a écrit :
> ## 2. Statement of Receiving Threatening E-Mails
> 
> On Oct 4, 2025, at 10:41:47 UTC, a person named Antoine Le Gonidec posted the following message to this mailing list [3]:
> 
> > Just so the kind of people involved in XLibre is made more obvious: I already started to get threatening e-mails from them following the couple messages I sent to this mailing list.
> >
> > This is the kind of behaviour that would be encouraged by any DD working on or sponsoring work related to XLibre.
> 
> We unequivocally condemn any threats made in the name of XLibre. In this regard, we kindly ask Antoine Le Gonidec to forward the emails in question to my address cmtango@proton.me . We will analyze them and take the appropriate measures. Once we have done so, we offer to publish a statement here as well.

I don’t believe this is written in good faith, and I don’t feel safe engaging with anyone that is part of XLibre.
This is going to be my only message on this topic, to confirm I got threats, and to refuse engaging further with any of you.

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#14022

Fromcallmetango <cmtango@proton.me>
Date2025-11-13 04:40 +0100
Message-ID<LQwlH-cz5O-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#14020
Hello,

On Tuesday, November 4th, 2025 at 7:35 PM, Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> wrote:

> Le Mon, Nov 03, 2025 at 08:45:53PM +0000, callmetango a écrit :
> 
> > ## 2. Statement of Receiving Threatening E-Mails
> > 
> > On Oct 4, 2025, at 10:41:47 UTC, a person named Antoine Le Gonidec posted the following message to this mailing list [3]:
> > 
> > > Just so the kind of people involved in XLibre is made more obvious: I already started to get threatening e-mails from them following the couple messages I sent to this mailing list.
> > > 
> > > This is the kind of behaviour that would be encouraged by any DD working on or sponsoring work related to XLibre.
> > 
> > We unequivocally condemn any threats made in the name of XLibre. In this regard, we kindly ask Antoine Le Gonidec to forward the emails in question to my address cmtango@proton.me . We will analyze them and take the appropriate measures. Once we have done so, we offer to publish a statement here as well.
> 
> 
> I don’t believe this is written in good faith, and I don’t feel safe engaging with anyone that is part of XLibre.
> This is going to be my only message on this topic, to confirm I got threats, and to refuse engaging further with any of you.

Thank you for your reply! We regret that you assume our message was not written in good faith.

It is very important to us to maintain good relationships with other projects, especially in view of the core functionality of our software. We strongly condemn attacks, threats, and insults.

In this specific case, we could all have benefited from clarification. Unfortunately, we are unable to verify the accusation made and must therefore reject it.

If there are proven threats misusing the name of XLibre, we are more than willing to help and hold those responsible accountable.


Regards
callmetango
XLibre project

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