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| Started by | Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> |
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| First post | 2024-05-02 20:10 +0200 |
| Last post | 2024-05-03 14:30 +0200 |
| Articles | 8 on this page of 28 — 15 participants |
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A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2024-05-02 20:10 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2024-05-02 20:40 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Dominik George <natureshadow@debian.org> - 2024-05-02 21:00 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2024-05-02 22:20 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 00:10 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 01:30 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 02:00 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2024-05-03 07:50 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Dominik George <natureshadow@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 11:50 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2024-05-02 22:20 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2024-05-02 22:20 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2024-05-02 22:20 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 03:00 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian "Jose-Luis Rivas" <ghostbar@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 16:10 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 19:00 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 20:00 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 18:30 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 19:50 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2024-05-04 04:00 +0200
Debian acronymns (was:Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian) Jack Warkentin <jwrk@eastlink.ca> - 2024-05-06 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian acronymns (was:Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian) Judit Foglszinger <urbec@riseup.net> - 2024-05-06 21:40 +0200
Re: Debian acronymns Jack Warkentin <jwrk@eastlink.ca> - 2024-05-06 22:00 +0200
Re: Debian acronymns Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-05-06 22:20 +0200
Re: Debian acronymns Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2024-05-07 11:30 +0200
Re: Debian acronymns (was:Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian) Andreas Ronnquist <mailinglists@gusnan.se> - 2024-05-06 22:00 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2024-05-08 19:10 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 06:30 +0200
Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-05-03 14:30 +0200
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| From | Judit Foglszinger <urbec@riseup.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-06 21:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Debian acronymns (was:Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian) |
| Message-ID | <IBclP-by2P-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13573 |
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Hi, > It would be helpful if Debian would create (and keep up-to-date) a web > page of acronymns and abbreviations used by Debian literati. Or is there > already such a one, but not listed on the site map? There is one in the wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/Glossary
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| From | Jack Warkentin <jwrk@eastlink.ca> |
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| Date | 2024-05-06 22:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Debian acronymns |
| Message-ID | <IBcFb-by9k-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13574 |
That's great. But how is anyone going to find it? it would be very helpful if a link to it were placed on the site map. Judit Foglszinger wrote: > Hi, > >> It would be helpful if Debian would create (and keep up-to-date) a web >> page of acronymns and abbreviations used by Debian literati. Or is there >> already such a one, but not listed on the site map? > > There is one in the wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/Glossary > -- Jack Warkentin, phone 902-404-0457, email jwrk@eastlink.ca 39 Inverness Avenue, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, B3P 1X6
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| From | Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2024-05-06 22:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Debian acronymns |
| Message-ID | <IBcYy-byvc-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13575 |
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On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 04:52:05PM -0300, Jack Warkentin wrote: > That's great. But how is anyone going to find it? Google. E.g. "Debian acronyms" points to it. -- WBR, wRAR
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| From | Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2024-05-07 11:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Debian acronymns |
| Message-ID | <IBpj4-bG4b-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13577 |
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Hi, Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> wrote on 06/05/2024 at 21:59:37+0200: > On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 04:52:05PM -0300, Jack Warkentin wrote: >> That's great. But how is anyone going to find it? > Google. > E.g. "Debian acronyms" points to it. While it is indeed true, Jack has a fair point: having a glossary readily available without resorting to Google seems a good thing. -- PEB
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| From | Andreas Ronnquist <mailinglists@gusnan.se> |
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| Date | 2024-05-06 22:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Debian acronymns (was:Re: A policy on use of AI-generated content in Debian) |
| Message-ID | <IBcFb-by9k-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13573 |
On Mon, 6 May 2024 16:24:17 -0300, Jack Warkentin<jwrk@eastlink.ca> wrote: >Hi Everybody > >I am an 86-year-old long time user of Debian GNU/Linux (at least 20 years). And I subscribe to the debian-project mailing list as well as a couple of other debian mailing lists. I sometimes have problems understanding abbreviations and acronymns used on these lists and occasionally in package documentation. > >While reading this thread I could not understand the "NM" acronymn (and some other abbreviations as well). I finally found out NM's meaning by looking at https://www.debian.org/sitemap and reading "Debian New Members Corner". > >It would be helpful if Debian would create (and keep up-to-date) a web page of acronymns and abbreviations used by Debian literati. Or is there already such a one, but not listed on the site map? > >Regards > Something like this is available on the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/Glossary best -- Andreas Rönnquist mailinglists@gusnan.se gusnan@ðebian.org
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| From | Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2024-05-08 19:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IBSXL-bYdi-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13572 |
This is much more of a general note regarding this thread. Apparently we are far from a consensus on an official Debian position regarding the use of generative AI as a whole in the project. We're therefore content to use the resources we have and let each team handle the content using their own criteria -- though not what I expected... expectations adjusted and all is fine :-) I'd be particularly happy to incorporate suggestions from Zack and others in the areas I work on in Debian. Thanks anyway to everyone for the input, especially Mo Zhou, Russ and Zack. I hope this debate will come up again at a time when we better understand the consequences of all this. On 2024-05-03 21:32, Mo Zhou wrote: [...] Bests, -- tvaz
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| From | Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2024-05-03 06:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IzSIx-aICM-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13552 |
Le Thu, May 02, 2024 at 02:01:20PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit : > > I would like Debian to discuss and decide on the usage of AI-generated content > within the project. Hi Tiago, as a Debian developer I refrain from using commercial AI to genereate code used in my packaging work or native packages, because I think that these systems are copyright laundering machines that allow to suck the energy invested in Free Sofware and transfer it in proprietary works (and to a lower extent to un-GPL works). If I would hear that other Debian developers use them in that context, I would seriously question whether there is any value to spend my volunteer time in keeping debian/copyright files accurate to the level of details our Policy asks for. When the world and ourselves will have given up on respecting Free Software copyrights and passing attribution, I will not see the point spending time doing more than the bare minimum, for instance like in Anaconda, where you just get License: MIT and the right to download the sources and check yourself the year of attribution and names of contributors. This said, I have not found time to try debgpt and feel guilty about this. If there will be a tool that is trained with source code for which the authors gave their consent, where the license terms were compatible, and provides its output under the most viral terms (probably AGPL), I would love to use it and give attribution to community of contributors to the software. So in summary, I probably would vote for a GR calling against the use of the current commercial AI for generating Debian packaging, native, or infrastructure code, unless of course good arguments are further provided against. This said, I think that we can not and should not control for people not respecting the call. Have a nice day, Charles -- Charles Plessy Nagahama, Yomitan, Okinawa, Japan Debian Med packaging team http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tooting from work, https://fediscience.org/@charles_plessy Tooting from home, https://framapiaf.org/@charles_plessy
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| From | Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2024-05-03 14:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <IA0d3-aNsv-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #13563 |
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On Fri, May 03, 2024 at 01:04:29PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > If I would hear that other Debian developers use them in that context, I > would seriously question whether there is any value to spend my > volunteer time in keeping debian/copyright files accurate to the level > of details our Policy asks for. There is a popular old opinion unrelated to AI that there is not. -- WBR, wRAR
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