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  Insanely frustrating finding older distributions Daemon Bernstein <bach@daemonbernstein.com> - 2023-01-11 11:30 +0100
    Re: Insanely frustrating finding older distributions gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2023-01-11 12:20 +0100
      Re: Insanely frustrating finding older distributions Daniel Lange <DLange@debian.org> - 2023-01-11 14:00 +0100
    Re: Insanely frustrating finding older distributions Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-01-11 18:00 +0100
      Re: Insanely frustrating finding older distributions Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2023-01-12 18:00 +0100

#13143 — Insanely frustrating finding older distributions

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Hi,
I just spent way too much time trying getting the run around trying to 
find the older distributions. I have an older computer that locks up 
using versions 10 and 11 when I use VLC. Also, there are NO Nvidia 
drivers for my old video card on those newer distributions, and older 
drivers will not install. I cannot use the the newer distributions on 
that machine. It would be nice if you changed one thing:

1. put/maintain a link (or links) to the archive page where it can be 
easily found, like on the current release page.

Linux to me has always been synonymous with logic, rational thinking, 
common sense, horse sense or whatever you want to call it. Linux makes 
sense. What does not make sense is not being able to find archive 
distros. For some machines, it is the only option. Using Linux on older 
machines is a common practice, always has been. Certainly, it is 
massively better than the 'other' (non)option. And I have no interest in 
the many modern bloated Linux distributions, or learning a new 
non-debian distribution.

I had to keep searching on a search engine to find the archive. Debian's 
website search could not find it.

The machine is a Dell Precision M6600. It has a Nvidia M4000. I also 
have another card for it with an M3000. Personally, I don't like Nvidia. 
But that is what I have.

Sorry this email is so long.

Daemon (Yes, that is on my original birth certificate which predates 
Unix. My mother liked the spelling. Not my idea.)

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 03:45:42 -0600, Daemon Bernstein wrote:

> I had to keep searching on a search engine to find the archive. Debian's
> website search could not find it.

I was curious and tried …

If I go to https://www.debian.org/ and type "archive" in the search
box at the top right, the first search result is

    "Debian -- Distribution Archives"

which sounds promising, when I click on it I land at

    https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive.en.html

which seems to be what you are looking for.
 
Cheers,
gregor

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I find

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/

useful as these have the Free and non-free (i.e. including proprietary firmware and drivers) installers for older Debian versions.

Additionally

https://www.debian.org/releases/${CODENAME}/debian-installer/ has media links and errata per distribution.
${CODENAME} can be obtained from https://www.debian.org/releases/ .

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Daemon Bernstein <bach@daemonbernstein.com> writes:

> Also, there are NO Nvidia drivers for my old video card on those newer
> distributions, and older drivers will not install.

Just as a side note, we're not very happy about this situation either, but
because the drivers are non-free and NVIDIA doesn't keep supporting them,
there's not a lot we can do about it.  They constantly drop support for
newer cards and don't port older drivers to newer kernels or X servers,
and thus force this endless upgrade treadmill.  We would have to keep
around old Linux kernels and old X servers in order to keep the old
drivers working, and that has too many tentacles and other problems (not
to mention the lack of security support for the older software).

I now avoid buying any products from NVIDIA if I can possibly avoid it, in
large part because of this.  That of course doesn't help if you already
own them, sadly.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)              <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 08:54:19AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Daemon Bernstein <bach@daemonbernstein.com> writes:
> > Also, there are NO Nvidia drivers for my old video card on those newer
> > distributions, and older drivers will not install.
> 
> Just as a side note, we're not very happy about this situation either, but
> because the drivers are non-free and NVIDIA doesn't keep supporting them,
> there's not a lot we can do about it.  They constantly drop support for
> newer cards and don't port older drivers to newer kernels or X servers,

Unless you want to run newest games or mine coins, nouveau tends to work
better -- or at least used to (before I dumped any nvidia hardware).
It won't have fancy video encoding acceleration and the like, but there's
no premature droppage.

The upstream kernel has no trouble supporting stuff like Amiga or Hercules
graphics card from 1984, both ATI/AMD and Intel cards continue to work,
it's only Nvidia who's user-hostile.

> I now avoid buying any products from NVIDIA if I can possibly avoid it

+1

> That of course doesn't help if you already own them, sadly.

As you haven't mentioned that you tried nouveau, I'd give it a try.


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