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Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?

From Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions?
Date 2019-12-29 09:20 +0100
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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:35:50PM +0000, Sean Whitton wrote:

> On Sat 28 Dec 2019 at 08:21am -05, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> 
> > Oh, wow.  I've been doing this wrong all along.  I am not sure how I
> > developed the impression that it was necessary to distinguish different
> > copyright holders (even same copyright holders with different copyright
> > years), but your approach is most certainly simpler and more compact.
> 
> Right.  This is the sort of overdocumentation that I worry our
> machine-readable copyright format implicitly encourages us to do.

I see similar things on nm.debian.org, which I ended up calling in my
head something like "the law of inflation of bureaucracy".

That is, I see that when people are asked to do some work, that later
will be checked by someone else, over time there is a tendency for the
perceived amount of work to inflate.

I guess the incentives are such that doing one bit less feels like
making it more likely that review will fail, and doing one bit more
feels like making it more likely that review will pass.

The result over time is an increase in the amount effort that both
people who are doing the work and people who are doing the checking end
up putting into the system.

For example, an Application Manager in the NM process will tend to err
for asking a question more, that DAM will have to read.

I haven't yet seen easy ways of introducing a feedback mechanism to
counter this: saying "you didn't need to do this" feels to me like
arbitrarily undervaluing someone's work, and maybe the person really
found it important to do it.

I would be very much interested in reasoning about this.


Enrico

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GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>

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                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-12-26 20:10 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-12-28 11:00 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2019-12-28 11:40 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-12-28 15:50 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-12-28 16:10 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2019-12-28 21:10 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value  contributions? Thorsten Alteholz <debian@alteholz.de> - 2019-12-28 16:20 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-12-28 16:50 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? "Paul R. Tagliamonte" <paultag@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 17:10 +0100
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                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-12-29 16:00 +0100
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                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value  contributions? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-12-28 14:30 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-12-28 15:40 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2019-12-28 17:40 +0100
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                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-12-28 23:20 +0100
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                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value contributions? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-12-29 04:00 +0100
                Re: possibly exhausted ftp-masters (Re: Do we still value  contributions? Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-12-29 09:20 +0100
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