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Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa

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On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 08:27:15PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:

> But I think having recommendations available when people are new, when
> they are looking for what to do when writing new tools, when the trade
> offs don't matter, is really important.  I think it's important enough
> that it's worth time for a quick vote (and I do believe we can
> efficiently handle GRs).

I agree with your message, and I'd like to expand on "when people are
new". I probably don't qualify as new in Debian, and I maintain some
package outside of teams. For those packages, I suffer from the lack of
a team policy that gives me a default way of doing things unless I have
better ideas.

Also, as over time my packaging practices have become outdated, I have
found it both difficult and frustrating to engage on a quest for
figuring out "how does one do this thing nowadays?"[1], and if there
were default recommendations available, I would have considered them a
boon[2].

When the upstream is straightforward and I'm not engaging in innovating
packaging practices, I'm significantly happier having a default script
that I can follow, instead of reinventing or refiguring out the wheel
every time I have an upload to make[3].

So, maybe I'm not new in Debian, but Debian is often new to me, When
there's no team to provide me with some well thought defaults, I could
use a well documented set of well thought defaults to work with.


Enrico

[1] if one finds themselves in a similar position, a good way of staying
    up to date is to become Application Manager. AMs routinely learn a
    lot from applicants
[2] maybe with some policy-style upgrading checklists
[3] the things I maintain don't need frequent uploads, and it's become
    sort of my expectation that for each upload that I make I need to
    plan some nontrivial yak shaving time to figure out which of my
    assumptions have become invalid since the last one
-- 
GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>

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Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2019-09-23 20:50 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-09-24 14:20 +0200
    Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-09-24 15:30 +0200
      Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2019-09-24 23:40 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2019-09-25 01:30 +0200
      Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-09-26 14:10 +0200
    Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-09-24 16:40 +0200
    Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-09-24 23:20 +0200
      Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-09-25 01:20 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-09-25 01:30 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2019-09-25 01:50 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-09-25 02:30 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-09-25 12:40 +0200
              Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2019-09-26 08:10 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-09-26 14:00 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2019-09-26 18:40 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2019-09-25 09:00 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2019-09-24 23:40 +0200

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