Re: Planet Debian revisions

From	Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.project
Subject	Re: Planet Debian revisions
Date	2019-01-01 21:30 +0100
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 02:37:00PM +0000, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Jonathan Carter:
> 
> > I think that it might be beneficial to revisit the rules of Planet
> > Debian and fortify it a bit.
> 
> Thanks for this initiative.
> 
> > The Planet's rules aren't that bad, it's quite liberal; any debian
> > contributor can post and the rules even encourages political posts.
> > 
> > If you haven't read it in a while, here it is:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian
> > 
> > I think it's important to be upfront that if an outside contributor
> > wants to republish content on Planet Debian, that they be aware that we
> > have certain community standards and that we expect them to follow it.
> > Currently the planet wiki page doesn't mention the CoC rules at all,
> > which a casual contributor might not even be aware of.
> 
> For reference, this is the Debian CoC:
> https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

Which claims:

  The Debian Project, the producers of the Debian system, have adopted a code
  of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels and other modes
  of communication within the project.

(for clarity, that was part of the original GR that validated the code
of conduct)

I don't think it's a stretch (at all!) to claim that Planet Debian falls
under the "other modes of communication" bit there.

> At Tails we have a CoC that applies to all spaces in which we interact
> with each other, be they physical, mailing lists, or other tools we use.

So does Debian, actually (at least in my interpretation, which I don't
think is unreasonable).

[...]
> > I also think that the paragraph about "not annoy people" should be
> > completely overworked. First, even following its intentions, it's way
> > too vague. Secondly, annoying the right people is an incredibly
> > important part of being human, and I think it's morally wrong of us to
> > ask people not to annoy anyone whatsoever.
> 
> I think what I miss a bit in the Planet rules is the "Be respectful"
> part and the "Be careful in the words that you choose. Be kind to
> others. Do not insult or put down other participants. Harassment and
> other exclusionary behavior aren't acceptable." Making it clear that you
> cannot always agree, but that personal attacks are unacceptable.

I think the code of conduct states those things too (although in other
formulations), and just updating the Planet rules to clarify that the
code of conduct applies should be enough?

-- 
To the thief who stole my anti-depressants: I hope you're happy

  -- seen somewhere on the Internet on a photo of a billboard

Thread

Planet Debian revisions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2018-12-30 18:10 +0100
  Re: Planet Debian revisions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2018-12-31 16:10 +0100
    Re: Planet Debian revisions Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2019-01-01 21:30 +0100
      Re: Planet Debian revisions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-01-01 21:40 +0100
        Re: Planet Debian revisions Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2019-01-02 13:20 +0100
          Re: Planet Debian revisions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-01-02 16:50 +0100
            Re: Planet Debian revisions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-02 17:10 +0100
              Re: Planet Debian revisions Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2019-01-02 17:40 +0100
            Re: Planet Debian revisions Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-01-02 17:50 +0100
            Re: Planet Debian revisions Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-01-02 19:00 +0100
              Re: Planet Debian revisions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-01-02 22:50 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2019-01-02 23:20 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions "Benj. Mako Hill" <mako@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 01:40 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 08:30 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 08:40 +0100
              Re: Planet Debian revisions Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 01:40 +0100
            Re: Planet Debian revisions Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-01-02 23:30 +0100
              Re: Planet Debian revisions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 00:00 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 16:10 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 16:30 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-01-03 16:40 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 17:00 +0100
            Re: Planet Debian revisions Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 16:20 +0100
              Re: Planet Debian revisions Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 16:30 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 16:40 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2019-01-03 17:10 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 18:00 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 18:00 +0100
              Re: Planet Debian revisions Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-01-03 16:40 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 19:20 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-01-04 15:30 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-04 16:40 +0100
              Re: Planet Debian revisions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-03 19:20 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-01-04 16:10 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-01-04 18:30 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions [and 1 more messages] Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-04 18:50 +0100
                Re: Planet Debian revisions [and 1 more messages] Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-01-05 20:50 +0100

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