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Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes

From Don Armstrong <don@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes
Date 2017-03-28 16:50 +0200
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> If somebody repeatedly is:
> 
> * performing a substandard job that affects you directly or indirectly,
> * ignoring team practices, or flat-out moving packages out of the team
> to avoid team policies,
> * performing uncoordinated uploads that break reverse dependencies,
> * deciding that they don't like your git packaging style and overwriting it,
> * when criticised argue that they don't have time for your complaints
> because they do so much packaging work, etc.
> 
> What do you do?

Talk with them. If possible, meet face to face (schedule a sprint?)
Maybe involve a neutral third party who is respected by both members to
help mediate.

Accept that sometimes people are going to have different metrics of what
a "good job" is. Avoid calling their work "substandard", as that's a
value judgement, and makes the disagreement adversarial.

> This is much worse if said person and their packages are not in a
> team. Then your only recourse is CTTE. We don't have social solutions
> for these social problems.

I think we're selling ourselves short; we have all of the social
solutions,[1] but they're time consuming and hard to enact.

1: From internal communication, to mediation, to CTTE deciding
maintenance, to expulsion.

-- 
Don Armstrong                      https://www.donarmstrong.com

[A] theory is falsifiable [(and therefore scientific) only] if the
class of its potential falsifiers is not empty.
 -- Sir Karl Popper _The Logic of Scientific Discovery_ §21

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Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-02-06 12:20 +0100
  Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-02-06 12:40 +0100
    Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-02-06 14:20 +0100
      Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2017-02-06 18:40 +0100
        Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-02-06 19:20 +0100
          Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes [and 1 more messages] Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2017-02-06 19:50 +0100
      Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes Milan Kupcevic <milan@debian.org> - 2017-02-06 18:50 +0100
  Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes Martín Ferrari <tincho@debian.org> - 2017-03-28 02:30 +0200
    Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2017-03-28 16:50 +0200

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