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Re: XLibre in Debian

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On Friday, October 3, 2025 1:00:17 PM Mountain Standard Time Adam D. Barratt 
wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-10-03 at 10:20 -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > On Friday, October 3, 2025 9:27:03 AM Mountain Standard Time Gunnar
> > Wolf
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > Soren Stoutner dijo [Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 05:02:13PM -0700]:
> > > > Like I said, I know nothing about XLibre or its history.  But I
> > > > think it is
> > > > important to state here that I am categorically opposed to any
> > > > software
> > 
> > being
> > 
> > > > excluded from Debian because of the politics of the developers
> > > > (as long as
> > > > those politics are not included in the software itself).
> > > 
> > > There are some things we don't want to drop in public channels.
> > > 
> > > There is known history of the XLibre authors actively conducting a
> > > hate campaign that resulted in a strong personal prejudice
> > > (economically and socially) to a Debian Developer, and that
> > > campaign carried on to try to further harm them.
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I sinncerely hope that Debian never goes down the very dangerous path
> > of banning software in Debian because of what developers do outside
> > of Debian. 
> 
> To be clear, the actions that Gunnar is describing here were *not*
> "outside of Debian".

In what way?  I would sincerely like to know.  So far, even though other 
people have pointed to some specific statements and actions on the part of at 
least one of the developers of XLibre, I have not seen any information showing 
that the XLibre developers have ever interacted with Debian.

Mostly what I have been hearing from this conversation is that some people 
feel that the XLibre developers have done some terrible things, but they don’t 
want to talk about the specifics.  That is fine.  Nobody should feel obligated 
to talk about the specifics if they don’t want to.

What is not fine is to allege that code written by a developer should be 
banned form Debian while *at the same time* not being willing to point to 
specific reasons why that developer should be banned.  Blacklisting a 
developer is a serious issue.  It is incumbent on anyone who thinks that 
action is appropriate to point to specific reasons why, so that the rest of 
the community can adjudicate the appropriateness of the action.

-- 
Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org

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  Re: XLibre in Debian Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-10-02 18:00 +0200
    Re: XLibre in Debian Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 10:40 +0200
    Re: XLibre in Debian Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 23:30 +0200
  Re: XLibre in Debian Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org> - 2025-10-02 19:00 +0200
  Re: XLibre in Debian Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> - 2025-10-02 22:10 +0200
    Re: XLibre in Debian Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-10-02 23:30 +0200
      Re: XLibre in Debian "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2025-10-03 00:00 +0200
        Re: XLibre in Debian Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 00:00 +0200
      Re: XLibre in Debian Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 04:10 +0200
        Re: XLibre in Debian <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-10-03 07:50 +0200
        Re: XLibre in Debian Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 14:50 +0200
          Re: XLibre in Debian Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 18:40 +0200
            Re: XLibre in Debian Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 20:20 +0200
        Re: XLibre in Debian Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 18:50 +0200
          Re: XLibre in Debian Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 20:20 +0200
            Re: XLibre in Debian "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2025-10-03 22:10 +0200
              Re: XLibre in Debian Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 22:50 +0200
                Re: XLibre in Debian Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2025-10-04 02:30 +0200
      Re: XLibre in Debian Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 04:10 +0200
        Re: XLibre in Debian <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-10-03 07:50 +0200
          Re: XLibre in Debian Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 14:50 +0200
            Re: XLibre in Debian Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2025-10-03 15:20 +0200
              Re: XLibre in Debian Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-10-04 11:50 +0200
              Re: XLibre in Debian Alex <alex@puer-robustus.eu> - 2025-10-04 16:40 +0200
                Re: XLibre in Debian Aaron Johnson <acjohnson@pcdomain.com> - 2025-10-04 23:10 +0200
                Re: XLibre in Debian Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2025-10-05 02:30 +0200
                Re: XLibre in Debian Aaron Johnson <acjohnson@pcdomain.com> - 2025-10-05 11:50 +0200
            Re: XLibre in Debian Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> - 2025-10-04 13:10 +0200
    Re: XLibre in Debian wlipinski@posteo.net - 2025-10-02 23:30 +0200
      Re: XLibre in Debian Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-10-03 10:30 +0200
  Re: XLibre in Debian wlipinski@posteo.net - 2025-10-09 14:20 +0200

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