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Re: Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken

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Greetings,

* Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org) wrote:
> Cord Beermann <cord@debian.org> writes:
> 
> > As listmaster i can confirm that it is a big problem to deliver Mails to
> > gmail/outlook/yahoo. Yahoo Subscribers are mostly gone by now because
> > they bounced a lot, for gmail it is so much that we just ignore bounces
> > because of those rules.
> 
> Yes, I gave up for the mailing lists I run and just rewrite the From
> address to be the address of the list and move the actual sender to
> Reply-To, and I see other technical mailing lists like the glibc lists
> have started doing this as well (using the built-in Mailman feature, which
> can optionally do this only if the sender domain has SPF/DMARC records).

The answer that we (PostgreSQL folks, at least) went with was to stop
breaking DKIM because that's just a bad approach to take these days with
mailing lists.  If you're curious about what PostgreSQL and now SPI are
using for our lists, it's called pgLister and is here: 

https://gitlab.com/pglister/pglister

Others have hacked up mailman to make it stop breaking DKIM too (though
it's pretty grotty how they did it, I'll admit).

Yes, yes, I know that means a bunch of mailman features aren't
available.  We've managed to survive even without them.

Thanks,

Stephen

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Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Helge Kreutzmann <debian@helgefjell.de> - 2023-08-12 18:10 +0200
  Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2023-08-12 18:40 +0200
    Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Helge Kreutzmann <debian@helgefjell.de> - 2023-08-12 19:20 +0200
  Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2023-08-12 19:20 +0200
    Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Helge Kreutzmann <debian@helgefjell.de> - 2023-08-12 21:50 +0200
      Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-08-12 22:50 +0200
        Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2023-08-12 23:40 +0200
          Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2023-08-13 12:10 +0200
            Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2023-08-17 20:00 +0200
              Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Helge Kreutzmann <debian@helgefjell.de> - 2023-08-17 20:40 +0200
          Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> - 2023-08-14 02:20 +0200
            Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-08-15 20:10 +0200
        Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Cord Beermann <cord@debian.org> - 2023-08-13 12:50 +0200
          Re: Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-08-13 18:50 +0200
            Re: Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> - 2023-08-14 02:40 +0200
          Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> - 2023-08-14 02:20 +0200
  Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-08-12 20:40 +0200
    Bug#1043539: project: Forwarding of @debian.org mails to gmail broken Helge Kreutzmann <debian@helgefjell.de> - 2023-08-12 21:50 +0200
  Bug#1043539: Gmail forwarding issue Byung-Hee HWANG <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2023-11-25 11:10 +0100
  Bug#1043539: Hello Dearest Amanda Kipkalya Kones <email.amandakipkalyakones@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 21:40 +0200
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