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Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux

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On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:58 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
> That's where doing a Debian pre-load would be challenging (which is 
> really where this conversation started). If support for a platform isn't 
> there until 6 to 8 months after it's shipped (or more) then really it's 
> not worth doing a preload (note - I'm not saying it's not worth 
> supporting the platform - that is still important0. Fedora have this 
> somewhat solved by being on the latest of everything, Ubuntu solve it by 
> having their oem image model.

Hi Mark and thanks for the nice thread.

I have the feeling that support comes late to Lenovo machines because porting
efforts start when the machine are actually available and in the hands of
willing developpers. That was my experience when I bought my trusty X250 back
in 2015. I've documented part of the process (https://www.corsac.net/X250/):
because I bought the machine early in its life, support was not perfect
(although honestly it was really good) and I had to do some backporting
myself, poke some Debian or upstream maintainers here and there.

For quite some years now volunteer do that for IBM then Lenovo hardware (and
others as well), but obviously they can only do it once they bought it,
received it and started playing with it. Lenovo obviously has access to the
hardware way earlier, and could thus start the porting effort (which is mostly
shared between distributions anyway because work has to be done upstream) and
then make sure it propagates to the various supported distro in time for the
release.

What can be done in the Debian community to help you do that *before* the
hardware are in the hand of volunteers, because as you already said that means
the laptops work perfectly 6-8 months after the release which is too late.

Regards,
- -- 
Yves-Alexis
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RE: [External]  Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2020-06-05 11:10 +0200
  Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Mark Pearson <markpearson@lenovo.com> - 2020-06-05 15:30 +0200
    Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-06-05 16:10 +0200
      Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Mark Pearson <markpearson@lenovo.com> - 2020-06-05 18:10 +0200
        Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org> - 2020-06-06 17:30 +0200
          Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Mark Pearson <markpearson@lenovo.com> - 2020-06-10 14:50 +0200
            Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 21:20 +0200
              Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Mark Pearson <markpearson@lenovo.com> - 2020-06-12 23:50 +0200
                Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-06-13 04:50 +0200
                Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org> - 2020-06-14 11:20 +0200
                Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Martin <debacle@debian.org> - 2020-06-14 14:30 +0200
                Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2020-06-24 23:10 +0200
    Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2020-06-05 16:30 +0200
    Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2020-06-05 16:30 +0200
      Re: [External] Re: ThinkPad laptops preinstalled Linux Mark Pearson <markpearson@lenovo.com> - 2020-06-05 18:20 +0200

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