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  Request to join Python Modules Team Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> - 2020-04-10 11:20 +0200
    Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> - 2020-04-10 11:30 +0200
      Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> - 2020-07-04 09:20 +0200
        Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Emmanuel Arias <emmanuelarias30@gmail.com> - 2020-07-04 14:30 +0200
          Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org> - 2020-07-05 18:50 +0200
            Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2020-07-08 13:10 +0200
              Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org> - 2020-07-14 23:20 +0200
                Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2020-07-15 12:20 +0200
                  Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Emmanuel Arias <emmanuelarias30@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 22:40 +0200
                    Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2020-07-15 23:10 +0200
                  Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2020-07-15 22:50 +0200
                    Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2020-07-15 23:40 +0200
        Re: Request to join Python Modules Team Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2020-07-08 13:00 +0200

#12457 — Request to join Python Modules Team

Hiya o/,

I would like to join the Python Modules Team.

I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].

[0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html

Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
(which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
DPMT.

[1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
[2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open

I read the Debian Python Policy[3].

[3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Sao I Kuan
saoikuan@gmail.com

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#12458

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hiya o/,
>
> I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
>
> I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
>
> [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
>
> Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> DPMT.
>
> [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
>
> I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
>
> [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/

I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is @sikuan-guest.

[4] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Sao I Kuan
saoikuan@gmail.com

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#12709

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:22 PM Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hiya o/,
> >
> > I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
> >
> > I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> > which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
> >
> > [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
> >
> > Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> > (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> > module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> > DPMT.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> > [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
> >
> > I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
> >
> > [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
>
> I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is @sikuan-guest.
>
> [4] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst

Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?

My Salsa handle was changed to @sikuan.
Thank you!

Sincerely,

Sao I Kuan
saoikuan@gmail.com

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#12710

Hi,

You just need to be patient. Some administrator from the team will join you.

Cheers,
Arias Emmanuel
@eamanu
http://eamanu.com

El sáb., 4 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 04:17, Sao I Kuan
(saoikuan@gmail.com) escribió:
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:22 PM Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hiya o/,
> > >
> > > I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
> > >
> > > I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> > > which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
> > >
> > > [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
> > >
> > > Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> > > (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> > > module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> > > DPMT.
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> > > [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
> > >
> > > I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
> > >
> > > [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
> >
> > I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is @sikuan-guest.
> >
> > [4] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
>
> Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?
>
> My Salsa handle was changed to @sikuan.
> Thank you!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sao I Kuan
> saoikuan@gmail.com
>

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#12719

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On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 09:19:56AM -0300, Emmanuel Arias wrote:
> El sáb., 4 de jul. de 2020 a la(s) 04:17, Sao I Kuan escribió:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:22 PM Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 6:16 PM Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hiya o/,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to join the Python Modules Team.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a newcomer into Debian from this March, and doing the packaging
> > > > which is COVID-19 related, with COVID-19 Biohackathon[0].
> > > >
> > > > [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html
> > > >
> > > > Now I'm trying to packaging the new python application idseq-bench[1]
> > > > (which will be team-maintained inside debian-med), which needs a
> > > > module smart_open[2]. I think [2] could be team maintained inside
> > > > DPMT.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://github.com/chanzuckerberg/idseq-bench
> > > > [2] https://github.com/RaRe-Technologies/smart_open
> > > >
> > > > I read the Debian Python Policy[3].
> > > >
> > > > [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
> > >
> > > I now found and accept the DPMT Policy[4]. My Salsa handle is @sikuan-guest.
> > >
> > > [4] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
> >
> > Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?
> >
> > My Salsa handle was changed to @sikuan.
> > Thank you!
> >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You just need to be patient.

To a certain degree is being patient good.
It is all about working together, reaching a common goal.


Whenever things get stalled it is good to ask:

   Who is waiting on who?


> Some administrator from the team will join you.

I volunteer to be part of "Some administrator".

Please grant me, account "stappers" at  debian.org and at Salsa,
to privilege to allow people the Python teams.

I have reread [3] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/



Debian tradition I will be re-introducing is sending "done messages".



Regards
Geert Stappers
-- 
Silence is hard to parse

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Hi,

ne 5. 7. 2020 v 18:46 odesílatel Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org>
napsal:

> Whenever things get stalled it is good to ask:
>
>    Who is waiting on who?
>

We have a rule between admins we are processing join request after few days
to give everyone chance to give their opinions.

In this particular case it was my fault and overlooked that email.

I volunteer to be part of "Some administrator".
>

cool. Current admins needs to agree, so: @piotr, @stefanor, @kitterman,
@bzed: your opinions please?

Debian tradition I will be re-introducing is sending "done messages".
>

no need to re-introduce, I'm always sending welcome message :)

-- 
Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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#12760

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On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 12:42:12PM +0200, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ne 5. 7. 2020 v 18:46 odesílatel <stappers@debian.org> napsal:
> 
> > Whenever things get stalled it is good to ask:
> >
> >    Who is waiting on who?
> >
> 
> We have a rule between admins we are processing join request after few days
> to give everyone chance to give their opinions.
> 
> In this particular case it was my fault and overlooked that email.
> 
> > I volunteer to be part of "Some administrator".
> > 
> cool. Current admins needs to agree, so: @piotr, @stefanor, @kitterman,
> @bzed: your opinions please?

For what it is worth: Wiki addition
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonModulesTeam/HowToJoin?action=diff&rev2=23&rev1=22
is from me, it says currently:

  Do known that it is okay to ask after 75 hours
  ''Who is waiting on who?''.


> > Debian tradition I will be re-introducing is sending "done messages".
> >
> no need to re-introduce, I'm always sending welcome message :)

I what to help with sending those welcome messages (which implies
accepting the work that comes with it)

And please enlighten me (and us (through the mailinglist))
what is holding back
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html


Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Silence is hard to parse

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#12761

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Hi,

út 14. 7. 2020 v 23:18 odesílatel Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org>
napsal:

> And please enlighten me (and us (through the mailinglist))
> what is holding back
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html


huh, this is a bit rude. This is volunteering project and you are trying to
give me (us) some deadlines or what?

-- 
Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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#12765

Geert,

it's more easy and polite ping to admins and ask for the status of
the request.

IMHO it's not so funny to ask "Who is waiting on who?"

Why do we have to wait 75 hours?

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#12767

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 05:32:58PM -0300, Emmanuel Arias wrote:
> Geert,
> 
> it's more easy and polite ping to admins and ask for the status of
> the request.
> 
> IMHO it's not so funny to ask "Who is waiting on who?"
> 
> Why do we have to wait 75 hours?

75 =  3 days (of 24 hours) plus 3 hours
But actual a value for getting the discussion started.


Other proposals welcome.




In case
> Why do we have to wait 75 hours?
is
> Why do we have to wait?

One volunteer should not let another volunteer waiting.
One volunteer should allow another volunteer time to respond.


In case
> Why do we have to wait 75 hours?
is
> Do you know that I'm waiting?

Ay, that is indeed what not should happen.
Please retransmit the request.


Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Silence is hard to parse

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#12766

Hello,


On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:02:07PM +0200, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> út 14. 7. 2020 v 23:18 odesílatel Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org>
> napsal:
> 
> > And please enlighten me (and us (through the mailinglist))
> > what is holding back
> >  https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html
> 
> 
> huh, this is a bit rude. This is volunteering project and you are trying to
> give me (us) some deadlines or what?

Acknowledge on how my request is recieved.  Rewording in the make.


Yes, this is a volunteering project.   (said the volunteer)

  Imaging you are the person that wants to join this cool project.
  You made some effort to apply for membership and sent in the request.
  Then you wait humblely. Humble as you are, you wait another day.
  On third day you start wondering "Is asking again expressing
  that you care or is it pushing the people you want to join?"


Thing I'm aiming for is a guideline for
when to retransmit a join request.


I admit that I yesterday did misread https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/maillist.html
that https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html
wasn't unanswered for a long time.

As person who wants to help with enabling fellow volunteers,
I would like to know more about the proces of an application
such as https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00057.html
(It was not wise from me to use negative words as "holding back")

It is good see that Sudip Mukherjee is now team member.
( https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2020/07/msg00072.html )



Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Silence is hard to parse

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#12768

>   Imaging you are the person that wants to join this cool project.
>   You made some effort to apply for membership and sent in the request.
>   Then you wait humblely. Humble as you are, you wait another day.
>   On third day you start wondering "Is asking again expressing
>   that you care or is it pushing the people you want to join?"

I did not see a single MR from all the people that requested to join
the team in recent times (and i'm subscribed to MR notifications for
both DPMT and PAPT), and i do know that you cannot submit an MR for
new packages.

Almost all those introductory mails mentioned "I want to maintain this
new package *AND* [emphasis added] help with general maintenance" but
those maintenance contributions never really came (neither before or
after membership was granted, at least not at the level a person that
cares so much would lead to expect).

If they really want to contribute they can always submit MRs or
patches to the bts, and/or prepare a NEW package in a temporary
location if access is still not granted; but that didnt really happen.

We dont really have a good process to accept new contributions (it
mostly boils down to single individuals to review, merge, upload), but
we also dont really that many to begin with.

Geert, I personally find your approach towards the current
members/admins pushy, so speaking exclusively for myself l I would
suggest you to be mindful that, while I may believe you're trying to
be helpful, you may come across differently than how you intended.

Regards,
-- 
Sandro "morph" Tosi
My website: http://sandrotosi.me/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi
Twitter: https://twitter.com/sandrotosi

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Hi,

so 4. 7. 2020 v 9:17 odesílatel Sao I Kuan <saoikuan@gmail.com> napsal:

> Ping o/ Or am I missing any necessary information?
>

I'm sorry, I overlooked your request. Added to team, welcome.

-- 
Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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