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What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies?

Started byLouis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
First post2019-09-16 02:00 +0200
Last post2019-10-12 01:10 +0200
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  What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2019-09-16 02:00 +0200
    Re: What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-09-16 02:30 +0200
    Re: What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2019-09-16 10:00 +0200
      Re: What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2019-09-16 14:20 +0200
        Re: What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2019-09-16 18:30 +0200
        Merging the PAPT and the DPMT Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2019-10-12 01:00 +0200
    Re: What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2019-09-16 14:20 +0200
      Re: What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2019-10-12 01:10 +0200

#11817 — What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies?

FromLouis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
Date2019-09-16 02:00 +0200
SubjectWhat is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies?
Message-ID<yGMAW-8lu-3@gated-at.bofh.it>

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Hi!

What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? I feel the
DPMT policy is pretty good and I feel the PAPT policy could copy a bunch
of stuff from there.

For example, the PAPT policy doesn't include a "Git Procedures" section.

I'm guessing the way to go is to clearly propose a draft modification on
the mailing list and see if it reaches consensus. Would that be acceptable?

Cheers!

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#11819

FromScott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>
Date2019-09-16 02:30 +0200
Message-ID<yGN3Y-lU-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#11817

On September 15, 2019 11:59:08 PM UTC, "Louis-Philippe Véronneau" <pollo@debian.org> wrote:
>Hi!
>
>What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? I feel the
>DPMT policy is pretty good and I feel the PAPT policy could copy a
>bunch
>of stuff from there.
>
>For example, the PAPT policy doesn't include a "Git Procedures"
>section.
>
>I'm guessing the way to go is to clearly propose a draft modification
>on
>the mailing list and see if it reaches consensus. Would that be
>acceptable?

My recollection is that is what we've done in the past.

Scott K

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#11823

FromMattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org>
Date2019-09-16 10:00 +0200
Message-ID<yGU5r-598-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Hi,

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, 1:59 am Louis-Philippe Véronneau, <pollo@debian.org>
wrote:

> What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies? I feel the
> DPMT policy is pretty good and I feel the PAPT policy could copy a bunch
> of stuff from there.
>

I wonder, I think the historical reasons for papt and dpmt to be separated
don't quite stand anymore.  Perhaps the only difference left is the actual
technical difference between an application and a module as described in
the python policy (rather in the team one).

Could this be a good moment to make the two policies totally converge, and
actually merge them into a single "python team policy"?

Perhaps in a near-ish future the two "sub-"teams could even be merged?

>
>

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#11826

FromOndrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org>
Date2019-09-16 14:20 +0200
Message-ID<yGY93-84o-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Hi,

po 16. 9. 2019 v 9:55 odesílatel Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> napsal:

> I wonder, I think the historical reasons for papt and dpmt to be separated
> don't quite stand anymore.  Perhaps the only difference left is the actual
> technical difference between an application and a module as described in
> the python policy (rather in the team one).
>

I don't know historical reason but I agree we could/should merge DPMT and
PAPT policies together.

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Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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#11828

FromLouis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
Date2019-09-16 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<yH230-2cp-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#11826

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On 19-09-16 08 h 00, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> po 16. 9. 2019 v 9:55 odesílatel Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> napsal:
> 
>> I wonder, I think the historical reasons for papt and dpmt to be separated
>> don't quite stand anymore.  Perhaps the only difference left is the actual
>> technical difference between an application and a module as described in
>> the python policy (rather in the team one).
>>
> 
> I don't know historical reason but I agree we could/should merge DPMT and
> PAPT policies together.

Yes! I too agree this would make a lot of sense.

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#11877 — Merging the PAPT and the DPMT

FromLouis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
Date2019-10-12 01:00 +0200
SubjectMerging the PAPT and the DPMT
Message-ID<yQc37-84i-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#11826

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On 19-09-16 08 h 00, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> po 16. 9. 2019 v 9:55 odesílatel Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> napsal:
> 
>> I wonder, I think the historical reasons for papt and dpmt to be separated
>> don't quite stand anymore.  Perhaps the only difference left is the actual
>> technical difference between an application and a module as described in
>> the python policy (rather in the team one).
>>
> 
> I don't know historical reason but I agree we could/should merge DPMT and
> PAPT policies together.
> 

For those interested in having a look at it, I created a MR on Salsa [1]
to try to merge the two policies into one.

[1]
https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/merge_requests/10

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#11827

FromOndrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org>
Date2019-09-16 14:20 +0200
Message-ID<yGY94-84o-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Hi,

po 16. 9. 2019 v 1:59 odesílatel Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
napsal:

> What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies?


we don't have process/policy to update policy.

So I will propose one and let's add this process to policy itself:

   - anyone can submit merge request
   - with MR created, send email to ML
   - give seven? days grace period to discuss proposal
   - to accept MR we needed at least one? ack from DPMT admins

Comments? :)

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Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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#11878

FromLouis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
Date2019-10-12 01:10 +0200
Message-ID<yQccN-8ng-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 19-09-16 08 h 00, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> po 16. 9. 2019 v 1:59 odesílatel Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
> napsal:
> 
>> What is the process to update the DPMT and PAPT policies?
> 
> 
> we don't have process/policy to update policy.
> 
> So I will propose one and let's add this process to policy itself:
> 
>    - anyone can submit merge request
>    - with MR created, send email to ML
>    - give seven? days grace period to discuss proposal
>    - to accept MR we needed at least one? ack from DPMT admins
> 
> Comments? :)
> 

This made a lot of sense to me, so I made an MR to implement this:

https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/merge_requests/11

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