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  can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 15:50 +0200
    Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> - 2016-09-10 16:50 +0200
      Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 17:20 +0200
        Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> - 2016-09-10 18:00 +0200
          Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 18:30 +0200
            Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 18:40 +0200
              Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> "W. Martin Borgert" <debacle@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 20:50 +0200
          Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2016-09-23 16:20 +0200
            Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> - 2016-09-23 16:40 +0200
            Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2016-09-23 17:00 +0200
            Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2016-09-23 20:10 +0200
      Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 20:50 +0200
    Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 20:40 +0200
      Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> "Paul R. Tagliamonte" <paultag@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 21:00 +0200
      Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2016-09-10 21:30 +0200
        Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2016-09-11 05:00 +0200
          Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2016-09-11 10:50 +0200
            Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2016-09-11 11:00 +0200
              Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2016-09-11 11:50 +0200
                Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> - 2016-09-11 21:40 +0200
                  Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2016-09-15 14:20 +0200
            Re: can we disable the bounce kicker? Re: confirm <string> Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2016-09-11 20:30 +0200

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#8880

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> wrote:
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> * Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org>, 2016-09-11, 10:42:
>>>
>>> Now, you've got to ask to the admin of that mailing list, which appears to be jwilk. I find that particularly interesting, given that afaik he left the team some time ago.
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> Yeah, that's bizarre.
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>>> I don't know whether anybody else knows the administration password other than him.
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> When I reset the password back in 2013, I sent it to all the DPMT admins.[0]
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>> Hey jwilk, would you be able to disable the suspend membership upon bounces on the python teams mailing lists?
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> No, I'm too lazy.


hehe fair enough :)

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>> maybe you also want to hand over the administration of the mls to someone else, given you moved on from dpmt/papt :)
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> Very gladly! Now we only need this "someone else". Last time[1] I asked the DPMT admins to take over the list admin duties, there were no replies.

can any of the DPMT/PAPT admins pick up the ml admin duties and
consider removing the bouncing membership suspension?

Thanks,
-- 
Sandro "morph" Tosi
My website: http://sandrotosi.me/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi
G+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SandroTosi

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#8868

On Sep 11, 2016, at 09:41 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote:

>now can we PLEASE stop talking about how the perfect smtp system
>should work and GET BACK to discuss if we are able and want to disable
>the suspend membership upon bounces (that's what the mail you receive
>says, so do not nitpick on this term again)

The downside is that the mail system will no longer track legitimate bounces,
so more traffic will be generated to addresses which won't get delivered, and
more bounce traffic will be received by the incoming mail system and just
thrown away.  The question to answer is whether that's an acceptable trade-off
for reducing the inconvenience of people who need to occasionally re-enable
their subscriptions because of the mail provider they use?

I'm not a Debian system administrator, so I can't answer that question.
However, if the impact on the network is acceptable, then all else being
equal, making users lives better is usually a good choice. :)

(I'd still complain to my mail provider, for whatever good that would do.)

Cheers,
-Barry

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