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  Request to join the Python team Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org> - 2021-05-17 18:40 +0200
    Re: Jupyter team? Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org> - 2021-05-18 18:30 +0200
      Re: Jupyter team? Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2021-05-18 18:50 +0200
    Jupyter team? Gordon Ball <gordon@chronitis.net> - 2021-05-18 10:40 +0200
      Re: Jupyter team? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2021-05-18 13:00 +0200
      Re: Jupyter team? Julien Puydt <julien.puydt@gmail.com> - 2021-05-18 16:30 +0200
      Re: Jupyter team? Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org> - 2021-05-18 17:30 +0200
        Re: Jupyter team? Carol Willing <willingc@gmail.com> - 2021-05-18 17:50 +0200

#13379 — Request to join the Python team

Hi everyone,

I've been contracted by Synchrotron Soleil to work on the packaging of 
Jupyterhub and its dependencies. This turns out to about 20 Python 
packages, most of which should probably go under the Debian Python Team 
umbrella (although some may go into Debian Science). So I hereby request 
to be added to the python-team group on salsa. My salsa login is 
"lolando", and I have read and accept the 
https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst 
policy.

Thanks, and see you soon for improving Debian :-)

Roland.

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#13381 — Re: Jupyter team?

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I just created a topic on discourse to announce my effort.

Roland.

Le 18/05/2021 à 17:29, Carol Willing a écrit :
> Hi folks,
>
> I work on the Jupyter project and am one of the maintainers for 
> JupyterHub.
>
> I would recommend opening a conversation on discourse.jupyter.org. 
> There is a JupyterHub in HPC group that is active and you would 
> probably find interest.
>
> Carol Willing
>
> Project Jupyter Steering Council
> Python Steering Council
> On May 18, 2021, 8:24 AM -0700, Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>, wrote:
>> Le 18/05/2021 à 10:06, Gordon Ball a écrit :
>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:20:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I've been contracted by Synchrotron Soleil to work on the packaging of
>>>> Jupyterhub and its dependencies. This turns out to about 20 Python 
>>>> packages,
>>>> most of which should probably go under the Debian Python Team umbrella
>>>> (although some may go into Debian Science). So I hereby request to 
>>>> be added
>>>> to the python-team group on salsa. My salsa login is "lolando", and 
>>>> I have
>>>> read and accept the 
>>>> https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst
>>>> policy.
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> Good to have more people working on jupyter and related tools. Can you
>>> say what the extent of your goal here is? Does it just relate to the
>>> jupyterhub server, spawners, proxy, etc or does your target also include
>>> some work on the jupyter interfaces/core side?
>> Honestly, I don't know yet.I'm at the prototyping phase, with 20 Python
>> packages (and 20 Node.js packages) that can just about be installed and
>> end up in something that displays a webpage and allows creating a
>> notebook. I don't know much more about Jupyterhub, and I guess I'll
>> first focus on getting packages into shape before widening my scope 
>> further.
>>> I wonder if it is time to have a distinct jupyter packaging team given
>>> the (perhaps concerningly?) growing size of this software stack [1]..
>>>
>>> Although I don't know how much time I'll have to work on this in the
>>> near future (new job, etc), my broad goals for this next cycle would be:
>>>
>>> * See if we can get jupyterlab packaged. This has an unpleasant list of
>>> javascript dependencies, but now there is a v3 release I hope it
>>> might stabilise a bit.
>>> * Try and get ipywidgets into better shape - it's currently quite out
>>> of date, requiring patches in consuming libraries, and blocked on
>>> javascript problems (many of which are probably in common with
>>> jupyterlab)
>>> * Go through the list of jupyter kernels for other languages and see
>>> if some of these have matured and stabilised and might be good
>>> candidates where the given ecosystem is already well supported in
>>> debian - iruby, ijavascript, gophernotes (go) look like conceivable
>>> candidates.
>> Can't help you there, not yet at least.
>>
>> For reference, the list of Python packages I have so far (thanks to
>> py2dsc + manual work): backoff escapism python-consul2 certipy pamela
>> onetimepass jupyter-telemetry nteract-on-jupyter nbgitpuller jupyterhub
>> jupyterhub-systemdspawner jupyterhub-dummyauthenticator
>> jupyterhub-firstuseauthenticator jupyterhub-nativeauthenticator
>> jupyterhub-ldapauthenticator jupyterhub-tmpauthenticator mwoauth
>> oauthenticator jupyterhub-idle-culler jupyter-packaging
>>
>> And the Node.js packages (thanks to node2npm + manual work): triple-beam
>> winston-transport stack-trace fn.name one-time fecha fast-safe-stringify
>> logform kuler enabled text-hex colorspace @dabh/diagnostics strftime
>> statsd-parser mersenne lynx http-proxy winston configurable-http-proxy.
>>
>> Still missing: traefik, but there's an ITP for that.
>>
>> I'll push the repositories to Salsa in the coming days. I need to do
>> some history cleanups first. If a jupyter team is created in the
>> meantime, I'll gladly create the repositories under its umbrella rather
>> than under the Python team's.
>>
>> Roland.
>>

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#13382 — Re: Jupyter team?

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 12:29 PM Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org> wrote:
> I just created a topic on discourse to announce my effort.

the link is https://discourse.jupyter.org/t/debian-packaging-effort/9240
for those who want to follow


-- 
Sandro "morph" Tosi
My website: http://sandrotosi.me/
Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi
Twitter: https://twitter.com/sandrotosi

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#13384 — Jupyter team?

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:20:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I've been contracted by Synchrotron Soleil to work on the packaging of
> Jupyterhub and its dependencies. This turns out to about 20 Python packages,
> most of which should probably go under the Debian Python Team umbrella
> (although some may go into Debian Science). So I hereby request to be added
> to the python-team group on salsa. My salsa login is "lolando", and I have
> read and accept the https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst
> policy.

Hello

Good to have more people working on jupyter and related tools. Can you
say what the extent of your goal here is? Does it just relate to the
jupyterhub server, spawners, proxy, etc or does your target also include
some work on the jupyter interfaces/core side?

I wonder if it is time to have a distinct jupyter packaging team given
the (perhaps concerningly?) growing size of this software stack [1].

Although I don't know how much time I'll have to work on this in the
near future (new job, etc), my broad goals for this next cycle would be:

 * See if we can get jupyterlab packaged. This has an unpleasant list of
   javascript dependencies, but now there is a v3 release I hope it
   might stabilise a bit.
 * Try and get ipywidgets into better shape - it's currently quite out
   of date, requiring patches in consuming libraries, and blocked on
   javascript problems (many of which are probably in common with
   jupyterlab)
 * Go through the list of jupyter kernels for other languages and see
   if some of these have matured and stabilised and might be good
   candidates where the given ecosystem is already well supported in
   debian - iruby, ijavascript, gophernotes (go) look like conceivable
   candidates.


Gordon


[1]: A quick survey of jupyter in debian:

Core components:

 * jupyter-core
 * jupyter-client
 * jupyter-console
 * jupyter-notebook
 * jupyter-packaging
 * jupyter-server
 * jupyterlab-pygments
 * jupyterlab-server
 * nbclient
 * nbconvert
 * nbformat
 * qtconsole

Kernels and related:

 * ipykernel
 * ipyparallel
 * ipywidgets
 * metakernel
 * nbsphinx
 * octave-kernel
 * r-cran-irdisplay
 * r-cran-irkernel
 * xeus
 * xeus-python

There are probably python or other language libraries which are
exclusively jupyter dependencies also.

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#13386 — Re: Jupyter team?

On 5/18/21 10:06 AM, Gordon Ball wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:20:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've been contracted by Synchrotron Soleil to work on the packaging of
>> Jupyterhub and its dependencies. This turns out to about 20 Python packages,
>> most of which should probably go under the Debian Python Team umbrella
>> (although some may go into Debian Science). So I hereby request to be added
>> to the python-team group on salsa. My salsa login is "lolando", and I have
>> read and accept the https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst
>> policy.
> 
> Hello
> 
> Good to have more people working on jupyter and related tools. Can you
> say what the extent of your goal here is? Does it just relate to the
> jupyterhub server, spawners, proxy, etc or does your target also include
> some work on the jupyter interfaces/core side?
> 
> I wonder if it is time to have a distinct jupyter packaging team given
> the (perhaps concerningly?) growing size of this software stack [1].

We're talking about 2 dozen of Python packages. Do you really think
that's a lot?

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

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#13387 — Re: Jupyter team?

Hi,

I have worked on jupyterlab last year.

Le mardi 18 mai 2021 à 08:06 +0000, Gordon Ball a écrit :
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:20:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I've been contracted by Synchrotron Soleil to work on the packaging
> > of
> > Jupyterhub and its dependencies. This turns out to about 20 Python
> > packages,
> > most of which should probably go under the Debian Python Team
> > umbrella
> > (although some may go into Debian Science). So I hereby request to
> > be added
> > to the python-team group on salsa. My salsa login is "lolando", and
> > I have
> > read and accept the 
> > https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst
> > policy.
> 
> Hello
> 
> Good to have more people working on jupyter and related tools. Can
> you
> say what the extent of your goal here is? Does it just relate to the
> jupyterhub server, spawners, proxy, etc or does your target also
> include
> some work on the jupyter interfaces/core side?
> 
> I wonder if it is time to have a distinct jupyter packaging team
> given
> the (perhaps concerningly?) growing size of this software stack [1].

I don't think it's that big ; notice that the JS team is to be involved
too : the Python part is a piece of cake, with good developers.

> Although I don't know how much time I'll have to work on this in the
> near future (new job, etc), my broad goals for this next cycle would
> be:
> 
>  * See if we can get jupyterlab packaged. This has an unpleasant list
> of
>    javascript dependencies, but now there is a v3 release I hope it
>    might stabilise a bit.

The JS part is where the real, deep, pain is.

Here is (a quick translation) of what my personal notes on the matter
are -- they might not be up to date since I haven't worked on it since
november :

BEGIN

- nbconvert needs a more recent nbsphinx ;
- nbsphinx wants a more recent ipywidgets ;
- ipywidgets wants jupyterlab ;
- jupyterlab needs many JS pieces :
  * I can get the following going: coreutils, settingregistry, statedb,
nbformat, observables, rendermime-interfaces, mathjax2, metapackage,
pdf-extension ;
  * for ui-components, typestyle would be needed ;
  * for vdom, @nteract/transform-vdom would be needed ;
  * for vega5-extension, vega-embed is needed ;
- for typestyle, csstype and freestyle are needed.

END

Notice that I initially wanted to update nbconvert, which got me to
look into nbsphinx, which got me to... etc : I took notes as I went
along, and simplified them as I managed to get things in.

I think I stopped after I got lumino at the beginning of november 2020,
for various reasons. Now perhaps I could resume, in which case some
coordination will be needed to avoid duplicate efforts.

Cheers,

JP

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#13388 — Re: Jupyter team?

Le 18/05/2021 à 10:06, Gordon Ball a écrit :
> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:20:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've been contracted by Synchrotron Soleil to work on the packaging of
>> Jupyterhub and its dependencies. This turns out to about 20 Python packages,
>> most of which should probably go under the Debian Python Team umbrella
>> (although some may go into Debian Science). So I hereby request to be added
>> to the python-team group on salsa. My salsa login is "lolando", and I have
>> read and accept the https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst
>> policy.
> Hello
>
> Good to have more people working on jupyter and related tools. Can you
> say what the extent of your goal here is? Does it just relate to the
> jupyterhub server, spawners, proxy, etc or does your target also include
> some work on the jupyter interfaces/core side?
Honestly, I don't know yet.I'm at the prototyping phase, with 20 Python 
packages (and 20 Node.js packages) that can just about be installed and 
end up in something that displays a webpage and allows creating a 
notebook. I don't know much more about Jupyterhub, and I guess I'll 
first focus on getting packages into shape before widening my scope further.
> I wonder if it is time to have a distinct jupyter packaging team given
> the (perhaps concerningly?) growing size of this software stack [1].
>
> Although I don't know how much time I'll have to work on this in the
> near future (new job, etc), my broad goals for this next cycle would be:
>
>   * See if we can get jupyterlab packaged. This has an unpleasant list of
>     javascript dependencies, but now there is a v3 release I hope it
>     might stabilise a bit.
>   * Try and get ipywidgets into better shape - it's currently quite out
>     of date, requiring patches in consuming libraries, and blocked on
>     javascript problems (many of which are probably in common with
>     jupyterlab)
>   * Go through the list of jupyter kernels for other languages and see
>     if some of these have matured and stabilised and might be good
>     candidates where the given ecosystem is already well supported in
>     debian - iruby, ijavascript, gophernotes (go) look like conceivable
>     candidates.
Can't help you there, not yet at least.

For reference, the list of Python packages I have so far (thanks to 
py2dsc + manual work): backoff escapism python-consul2 certipy pamela 
onetimepass jupyter-telemetry nteract-on-jupyter nbgitpuller jupyterhub 
jupyterhub-systemdspawner jupyterhub-dummyauthenticator 
jupyterhub-firstuseauthenticator jupyterhub-nativeauthenticator 
jupyterhub-ldapauthenticator jupyterhub-tmpauthenticator mwoauth 
oauthenticator jupyterhub-idle-culler jupyter-packaging

And the Node.js packages (thanks to node2npm + manual work): triple-beam 
winston-transport stack-trace fn.name one-time fecha fast-safe-stringify 
logform kuler enabled text-hex colorspace @dabh/diagnostics strftime 
statsd-parser mersenne lynx http-proxy winston configurable-http-proxy.

Still missing: traefik, but there's an ITP for that.

I'll push the repositories to Salsa in the coming days. I need to do 
some history cleanups first. If a jupyter team is created in the 
meantime, I'll gladly create the repositories under its umbrella rather 
than under the Python team's.

Roland.

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#13389 — Re: Jupyter team?

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Hi folks,

I work on the Jupyter project and am one of the maintainers for JupyterHub.

I would recommend opening a conversation on discourse.jupyter.org. There is a JupyterHub in HPC group that is active and you would probably find interest.

Carol Willing

Project Jupyter Steering Council
Python Steering Council
On May 18, 2021, 8:24 AM -0700, Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>, wrote:
> Le 18/05/2021 à 10:06, Gordon Ball a écrit :
> > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:20:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I've been contracted by Synchrotron Soleil to work on the packaging of
> > > Jupyterhub and its dependencies. This turns out to about 20 Python packages,
> > > most of which should probably go under the Debian Python Team umbrella
> > > (although some may go into Debian Science). So I hereby request to be added
> > > to the python-team group on salsa. My salsa login is "lolando", and I have
> > > read and accept the https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/blob/master/policy.rst
> > > policy.
> > Hello
> >
> > Good to have more people working on jupyter and related tools. Can you
> > say what the extent of your goal here is? Does it just relate to the
> > jupyterhub server, spawners, proxy, etc or does your target also include
> > some work on the jupyter interfaces/core side?
> Honestly, I don't know yet.I'm at the prototyping phase, with 20 Python
> packages (and 20 Node.js packages) that can just about be installed and
> end up in something that displays a webpage and allows creating a
> notebook. I don't know much more about Jupyterhub, and I guess I'll
> first focus on getting packages into shape before widening my scope further.
> > I wonder if it is time to have a distinct jupyter packaging team given
> > the (perhaps concerningly?) growing size of this software stack [1].
> >
> > Although I don't know how much time I'll have to work on this in the
> > near future (new job, etc), my broad goals for this next cycle would be:
> >
> > * See if we can get jupyterlab packaged. This has an unpleasant list of
> > javascript dependencies, but now there is a v3 release I hope it
> > might stabilise a bit.
> > * Try and get ipywidgets into better shape - it's currently quite out
> > of date, requiring patches in consuming libraries, and blocked on
> > javascript problems (many of which are probably in common with
> > jupyterlab)
> > * Go through the list of jupyter kernels for other languages and see
> > if some of these have matured and stabilised and might be good
> > candidates where the given ecosystem is already well supported in
> > debian - iruby, ijavascript, gophernotes (go) look like conceivable
> > candidates.
> Can't help you there, not yet at least.
>
> For reference, the list of Python packages I have so far (thanks to
> py2dsc + manual work): backoff escapism python-consul2 certipy pamela
> onetimepass jupyter-telemetry nteract-on-jupyter nbgitpuller jupyterhub
> jupyterhub-systemdspawner jupyterhub-dummyauthenticator
> jupyterhub-firstuseauthenticator jupyterhub-nativeauthenticator
> jupyterhub-ldapauthenticator jupyterhub-tmpauthenticator mwoauth
> oauthenticator jupyterhub-idle-culler jupyter-packaging
>
> And the Node.js packages (thanks to node2npm + manual work): triple-beam
> winston-transport stack-trace fn.name one-time fecha fast-safe-stringify
> logform kuler enabled text-hex colorspace @dabh/diagnostics strftime
> statsd-parser mersenne lynx http-proxy winston configurable-http-proxy.
>
> Still missing: traefik, but there's an ITP for that.
>
> I'll push the repositories to Salsa in the coming days. I need to do
> some history cleanups first. If a jupyter team is created in the
> meantime, I'll gladly create the repositories under its umbrella rather
> than under the Python team's.
>
> Roland.
>

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