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[DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now

Started byOndrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org>
First post2020-09-14 11:00 +0200
Last post2020-09-21 13:40 +0200
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  [DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2020-09-14 11:00 +0200
    Re: [DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2020-09-15 00:10 +0200
      Re: [DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now Éric Araujo <merwok@netwok.org> - 2020-09-15 20:50 +0200
      Re: [DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2020-09-18 21:40 +0200
        Re: [DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2020-09-21 13:40 +0200

#12870 — [DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now

FromOndrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org>
Date2020-09-14 11:00 +0200
Subject[DRAFT] DPMT and PAPT is DPT now
Message-ID<AOSv8-6E-5@gated-at.bofh.it>

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Hi,

I would like to send information to debian-devel-announce after the team
merge as suggested by Christian Kastner. Draft follows. Suggestions welcome.

---

Hi,

for simplification we merged two subteams - Debian Python Modules Team and
Python Applications Packaging Team into just one: Debian Python Team, DPT.

All Salsa repositories are in "packages" subgroup [1] now.

We have only one team policy [2] now.

And as always, new contributors are welcomed :)

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages
[2]
https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst

-- 
Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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#12877

FromChristian Kastner <ckk@debian.org>
Date2020-09-15 00:10 +0200
Message-ID<AP4PE-7IV-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#12870
Hi Ondřej,

On 2020-09-14 10:39, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> for simplification we merged two subteams - Debian Python Modules Team
> and Python Applications Packaging Team into just one: Debian Python
> Team, DPT.
> 
> All Salsa repositories are in "packages" subgroup [1] now.
> 
> We have only one team policy [2] now.
> 
> And as always, new contributors are welcomed :)
> 
> [1] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages
> [2] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst

I'm prone to be much too verbose, but seeing as -devel-announce has an
audience that might lack context and details that are well-known to
-python, I'd like to suggest the following amended version just in case:


PAPT and DPMT become DPT
------------------------

Historically, the Debian Python ecosystem was maintained by two separate
teams: the Debian Python Applications Packaging Team (PAPT) for
applications, and the Debian Python Modules Team (DPMT) for modules used
by applications.

As there was substantial overlap between the members of these teams, their
work,  and their tooling, these teams have been merged into one: the
Debian Python Team (DPT).

[Or whatever the actual history and motivations were; as I said in an
earlier mail, it was never quite clear to me why two teams were needed
in the first place]


Changes
-------

This merge mainly affects package maintainers. End users should not see
a change beyond the Maintainer field of packages.

For maintainers, the following has changed:
  * The respective PAPT and DPMT policies are superseded by the new,
    more compact DPT policy [1]. Please take a few minutes to familiarize
    yourself with this new policy.
  * All Salsa repositories are in "packages" subgroup [2] now. Please
    set Vcs-* fields of new packages accordingly.
  * The Maintainer field of new packages should now be set to
    "Debian Python Team <team+python@tracker.debian.org>".


Migration
---------

On Salsa, redirects have been implemented from the old "applications"
and "modules" subgroups to the new "packages" subgroup. Vcs-* URLs
should continue working for now.

[... and the other migration steps are still being planned, right?]


[1] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
[2] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages

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#12880

FromÉric Araujo <merwok@netwok.org>
Date2020-09-15 20:50 +0200
Message-ID<APobD-2ik-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#12877
 Hello,

Le 2020-09-14 à 17 h 42, Christian Kastner a écrit :
> PAPT and DPMT become DPT
> ------------------------
> 
> Historically, the Debian Python ecosystem was maintained by two separate
> teams: the Debian Python Applications Packaging Team (PAPT) for
> applications, and the Debian Python Modules Team (DPMT) for modules used
> by applications.

There’s also the CPython interpreter itself, maintained by a solo
developer for a long time, more recently a third team.

 Regards

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#12885

FromLouis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
Date2020-09-18 21:40 +0200
Message-ID<AQuoF-1xt-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#12877

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On 2020-09-14 17 h 42, Christian Kastner wrote:
> Hi Ondřej,
> 
> On 2020-09-14 10:39, Ondrej Novy wrote:
>> for simplification we merged two subteams - Debian Python Modules Team
>> and Python Applications Packaging Team into just one: Debian Python
>> Team, DPT.
>>
>> All Salsa repositories are in "packages" subgroup [1] now.
>>
>> We have only one team policy [2] now.
>>
>> And as always, new contributors are welcomed :)
>>
>> [1] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages
>> [2] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
> 
> I'm prone to be much too verbose, but seeing as -devel-announce has an
> audience that might lack context and details that are well-known to
> -python, I'd like to suggest the following amended version just in case:
> 
> 
> PAPT and DPMT become DPT
> ------------------------
> 
> Historically, the Debian Python ecosystem was maintained by two separate
> teams: the Debian Python Applications Packaging Team (PAPT) for
> applications, and the Debian Python Modules Team (DPMT) for modules used
> by applications.
> 
> As there was substantial overlap between the members of these teams, their
> work,  and their tooling, these teams have been merged into one: the
> Debian Python Team (DPT).
> 
> [Or whatever the actual history and motivations were; as I said in an
> earlier mail, it was never quite clear to me why two teams were needed
> in the first place]
> 
> 
> Changes
> -------
> 
> This merge mainly affects package maintainers. End users should not see
> a change beyond the Maintainer field of packages.
> 
> For maintainers, the following has changed:
>   * The respective PAPT and DPMT policies are superseded by the new,
>     more compact DPT policy [1]. Please take a few minutes to familiarize
>     yourself with this new policy.
>   * All Salsa repositories are in "packages" subgroup [2] now. Please
>     set Vcs-* fields of new packages accordingly.
>   * The Maintainer field of new packages should now be set to
>     "Debian Python Team <team+python@tracker.debian.org>".
> 
> 
> Migration
> ---------
> 
> On Salsa, redirects have been implemented from the old "applications"
> and "modules" subgroups to the new "packages" subgroup. Vcs-* URLs
> should continue working for now.
> 
> [... and the other migration steps are still being planned, right?]
> 
> 
> [1] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
> [2] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages
> 

I like those changes! Sounds good to send as is to me.

-- 
  ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
  ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  Louis-Philippe Véronneau
  ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org
  ⠈⠳⣄

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#12891

FromOndrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org>
Date2020-09-21 13:40 +0200
Message-ID<ARskN-3XV-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#12885

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Hi,

thanks a lot for this.

Second version:

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PAPT and DPMT become DPT
------------------------

Historically, the Debian Python ecosystem was maintained by two separate
teams: the Debian Python Applications Packaging Team (PAPT) for
applications, and the Debian Python Modules Team (DPMT) for modules used
by applications.

As there was substantial overlap between the members of these teams, their
work,  and their tooling, these teams have been merged into one: the
Debian Python Team (DPT).


Changes
-------

This merge mainly affects package maintainers. End users should not see
a change beyond the Maintainer field of packages.

For maintainers, the following has changed:
  * The respective PAPT and DPMT policies are superseded by the new,
    more compact DPT policy [1]. Please take a few minutes to familiarize
    yourself with this new policy.
  * All Salsa repositories are in "packages" subgroup [2] now. Please
    set Vcs-* fields of new packages accordingly.
  * The Maintainer field of new packages should now be set to
    "Debian Python Team <team+python@tracker.debian.org>".


Migration
---------

On Salsa, redirects have been implemented from the old "applications"
and "modules" subgroups to the new "packages" subgroup. Vcs-* URLs
should continue working for now. But it's still a good idea to update
your local git remotes to point to new "packages" subgroup.

Maintainer and Vcs-* fields were mass-changed in git repositories so
there is nothing you need to do as maintainer of DPMT/PAPT packages.

All members of DPMT or PAPT are members of DPT now and have access
to "packages" subgroup.

As always, new contributors are welcomed :)

[1]
https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/blob/master/policy.rst
[2] https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages

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-- 
Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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