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  question: what will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out of  life in Dec2020? Thierry Vilmart <thierry.vilmart@tobii.com> - 2019-04-12 20:50 +0200
    Re: question: what will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out  of life in Dec2020? Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2019-04-12 22:40 +0200
    worry: Debian buster and debian based distributions will miss kernel  5 and AMD Free Sync for 2 years Thierry Vilmart <thierry.vilmart@tobii.com> - 2019-04-17 17:40 +0200
      Re: worry: Debian buster and debian based distributions will miss  kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2 years Eric Degenetais <edegenetais@henix.fr> - 2019-04-17 19:40 +0200
      Re: worry: Debian buster and debian based distributions will miss  kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2 years Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2019-04-17 23:00 +0200

#63832 — question: what will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out of life in Dec2020?

question:

What will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out of life in
Dec2020?

See EOL for 4.19.
https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html


If buster debian 10 has to change the kernel to 5 in Dec 2020, it will
be untested. And it would be preferable to have kernel 5 before buster
is realeased during the testing phase.

Or will you do your own patchsets on an out of life 4.19 kernel?

Regards
Thierry

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#63836 — Re: question: what will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out of life in Dec2020?

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On Fri, 2019-04-12 at 15:51 +0000, Thierry Vilmart wrote:
> question:
> 
> What will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out of life in
> Dec2020?
> 
> See EOL for 4.19.
> https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

This is quite likely to be extended to 6 years, as has happened with
4.4 and 4.9.

The Civil Infrastructure Platform (CIP) is also maintaining a 4.19
branch and aims to do so for 10 years (but covering a limited feature
set).

> If buster debian 10 has to change the kernel to 5 in Dec 2020, it will
> be untested. And it would be preferable to have kernel 5 before buster
> is realeased during the testing phase.
> 
> Or will you do your own patchsets on an out of life 4.19 kernel?

If Greg K-H does not maintain 4.19 for long enough, the Debian kernel
team would probably work with CIP on backporting important fixes.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
Hoare's Law of Large Problems:
   Inside every large problem is a small problem struggling to get out.

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#63883 — worry: Debian buster and debian based distributions will miss kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2 years

Hi,

Let me just express my worry that Debian buster and debian based
distributions like Ubuntu will miss kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2
years until next Debian release in 2 years.

fact 1: AMD Free sync needs the kernel 5, and it is a very nice feature
to adapt the monitor's refresh rate smarter than V-sync, and to avoid
tearing.

fact 2: kernel 4.19 goes out of life in Dec 2020

As debated on the debian forum.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=141563

Best Regards
Thierry Vilmart

fre 2019-04-12 klockan 17:51 +0200 skrev Thierry Vilmart:
> question:
> 
> What will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out of life in
> Dec2020?
> 
> See EOL for 4.19.
> https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
> 
> 
> If buster debian 10 has to change the kernel to 5 in Dec 2020, it
> will
> be untested. And it would be preferable to have kernel 5 before
> buster
> is realeased during the testing phase.
> 
> Or will you do your own patchsets on an out of life 4.19 kernel?
> 
> Regards
> Thierry
> 

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#63884 — Re: worry: Debian buster and debian based distributions will miss kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2 years

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Le mer. 17 avr. 2019 17:36, Thierry Vilmart <thierry.vilmart@tobii.com> a
écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Let me just express my worry that Debian buster and debian based
> distributions like Ubuntu will miss kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2
> years until next Debian release in 2 years.
>
I for one, am not afraid of this. Backports for New major versions have
been available in the past (ex: the 4.x line in Jessie).
One thing I'm rather happy about, in fact, is NOT to undergo a cowboy-style
major version upgrade at gunpoint.

>
>
> fact 1: AMD Free sync needs the kernel 5, and it is a very nice feature
> to adapt the monitor's refresh rate smarter than V-sync, and to avoid
> tearing.
>
> fact 2: kernel 4.19 goes out of life in Dec 2020
>
> As debated on the debian forum.
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=141563
>
> Best Regards
> Thierry Vilmart
>
> fre 2019-04-12 klockan 17:51 +0200 skrev Thierry Vilmart:
> > question:
> >
> > What will happen to buster when kernel 4.19 goes out of life in
> > Dec2020?
> >
> > See EOL for 4.19.
> > https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
> >
> >
> > If buster debian 10 has to change the kernel to 5 in Dec 2020, it
> > will
> > be untested. And it would be preferable to have kernel 5 before
> > buster
> > is realeased during the testing phase.
> >
> > Or will you do your own patchsets on an out of life 4.19 kernel?
> >
> > Regards
> > Thierry
> >

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#63888 — Re: worry: Debian buster and debian based distributions will miss kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2 years

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On Wed, 2019-04-17 at 08:29 +0000, Thierry Vilmart wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Let me just express my worry that Debian buster and debian based
> distributions like Ubuntu will miss kernel 5 and AMD Free Sync for 2
> years until next Debian release in 2 years.
>
> fact 1: AMD Free sync needs the kernel 5, and it is a very nice feature
> to adapt the monitor's refresh rate smarter than V-sync, and to avoid
> tearing.

The current 5.x version (probably 5.1) will be available in buster-
backports soon after buster is released.

And to quote Linus: ""5.0" doesn't mean anything more than that the 4.x
numbers started getting big enough that I ran out of fingers and toes."

> fact 2: kernel 4.19 goes out of life in Dec 2020
[...]

I addressed this in
<https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2019/04/msg00116.html>.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings
Make three consecutive correct guesses and you will be considered
an expert.

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