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  Re: Scheduling 9.5 "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2018-06-08 20:00 +0200
    Re: Scheduling 9.5 Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2018-06-08 21:00 +0200
    Re: Scheduling 9.5 Ansgar Burchardt <ansgar@debian.org> - 2018-06-11 13:20 +0200
    Re: Scheduling 9.5 "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2018-06-12 12:10 +0200
    Re: Scheduling 9.5 "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2018-06-12 13:50 +0200
      Re: Scheduling 9.5 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-06-12 17:20 +0200
      Re: Scheduling 9.5 Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2018-06-12 18:10 +0200
        Re: Scheduling 9.5 "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2018-06-25 21:40 +0200
      Re: Scheduling 9.5 Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> - 2018-06-12 19:40 +0200
      Re: Scheduling 9.5 "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2018-06-23 18:40 +0200
        Re: Scheduling 9.5 Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2018-06-24 23:20 +0200
        Re: Scheduling 9.5 Ansgar Burchardt <ansgar@debian.org> - 2018-06-25 12:40 +0200

#61169 — Re: Scheduling 9.5

[Cc += debian-kernel]

On Sun, 2018-05-20 at 12:04 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 15037 March 1977, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> >  - May 26th (meaning freeze this coming weekend, which might be a
> > big
> >  ask)
> 
> No.
> 
> >  - Jun 2nd (which may require an unusual SRM)
> 
> Possible.
> 
> >  - Jun 9th (getting quite a way out of cadence, but maybe that
> > can't be
> >    helped)
> 
> Possible.

We're past any of the above by now, and while looking through the to-do 
list for the final jessie point release, I noticed that we currently
have some packages in opu with versions higher than stable.

We can either accept the packages and put up with the situation for a
short while, or do 9.5 before 8.11. In practical terms, that would
likely mean both 9.5 and 8.11 on June 23rd, freezing both next weekend.
How do people feel about that?

Cheers,

Adam

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#61170

El 8 de junio de 2018 19:51:18 CEST, "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> escribió:
>[Cc += debian-kernel]
>
>On Sun, 2018-05-20 at 12:04 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> On 15037 March 1977, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> >  - May 26th (meaning freeze this coming weekend, which might be a
>> > big
>> >  ask)
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> >  - Jun 2nd (which may require an unusual SRM)
>> 
>> Possible.
>> 
>> >  - Jun 9th (getting quite a way out of cadence, but maybe that
>> > can't be
>> >    helped)
>> 
>> Possible.
>
>We're past any of the above by now, and while looking through the to-do
>
>list for the final jessie point release, I noticed that we currently
>have some packages in opu with versions higher than stable.
>
>We can either accept the packages and put up with the situation for a
>short while, or do 9.5 before 8.11. In practical terms, that would
>likely mean both 9.5 and 8.11 on June 23rd, freezing both next weekend.
>How do people feel about that?
>

Ok for publicity.

Cheers

-- 
Laura Arjona Reina
https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona
Sent with K-9 mail

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#61179

On Fri, 2018-06-08 at 18:51 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> We can either accept the packages and put up with the situation for a
> short while, or do 9.5 before 8.11. In practical terms, that would
> likely mean both 9.5 and 8.11 on June 23rd, freezing both next
> weekend.

Should be fine with me; Joerg wanted to do the 8.11 one, but if he has
time restrictions on June 23rd and doing 8.11 after 9.5 would be too
late for him, I could probably also do both.

(If Joerg wants to do both, that's also fine with me.)

Ansgar

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#61183

-kernel: any chance of a yes/no ASAP, please?

On 2018-06-08 18:51, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> [Cc += debian-kernel]
> 
> On Sun, 2018-05-20 at 12:04 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> On 15037 March 1977, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> >  - May 26th (meaning freeze this coming weekend, which might be a
>> > big
>> >  ask)
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> >  - Jun 2nd (which may require an unusual SRM)
>> 
>> Possible.
>> 
>> >  - Jun 9th (getting quite a way out of cadence, but maybe that
>> > can't be
>> >    helped)
>> 
>> Possible.
> 
> We're past any of the above by now, and while looking through the to-do
> list for the final jessie point release, I noticed that we currently
> have some packages in opu with versions higher than stable.
> 
> We can either accept the packages and put up with the situation for a
> short while, or do 9.5 before 8.11. In practical terms, that would
> likely mean both 9.5 and 8.11 on June 23rd, freezing both next weekend.
> How do people feel about that?

Unless we can get a definite answer r.e. the kernel very quickly, we 
might have to live with the version skew for a short while and arrange 
alternate dates for 9.5, which would then be in July (as the 30th won't 
work for either Sledge or I, at least), which would be well past our 
2-month goal.

Regards,

Adam

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#61185

On 2018-06-08 18:51, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> [Cc += debian-kernel]
> 
> On Sun, 2018-05-20 at 12:04 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> On 15037 March 1977, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
[...]
> We're past any of the above by now, and while looking through the to-do
> list for the final jessie point release, I noticed that we currently
> have some packages in opu with versions higher than stable.
> 
> We can either accept the packages and put up with the situation for a
> short while, or do 9.5 before 8.11. In practical terms, that would
> likely mean both 9.5 and 8.11 on June 23rd, freezing both next weekend.
> How do people feel about that?

After discussions on IRC, it appears unlikely that the currently WIP 
kernel update will be ready in sufficient time to be happy with it on 
all architectures.

So the possible options are:

- go ahead with freezing 9.5 this weekend, and hope the kernel's ready 
in time
- go ahead with freezing 9.5 this weekend, and update the kernel via 
stable-updates later
- just do 8.11 this weekend, accept the version skew and get 9.5 
released as soon as we can

To be entirely honest, I'm not that comfortable with announcing a freeze 
this close to the actual date. In terms of packages with version skew, 
we have:

- packages from the security archive, where users upgrading should 
already have the jessie-security package installed in any case
- intel-microcode, src:patch and clamav, where it looks like the jessie 
package should work on stretch without issues
- tzdata, which is already available from stretch-updates.

Given all of the above, I think the sanest option is to concentrate on 
getting 8.11 done and jessie off our radar and then get 9.5 sorted.

For suggested dates for 9.5, we know that June 30th is a no-go, Debcamp 
starts on July 21st and then Debconf on the 28th. So that leaves us 
with:

- July 7th
- July 14th

Are people available for either or both of those dates?

Regards,

Adam

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#61187

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 12:44:52PM +0100, Adam Barratt wrote:
>On 2018-06-08 18:51, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
>
>Given all of the above, I think the sanest option is to concentrate on
>getting 8.11 done and jessie off our radar and then get 9.5 sorted.
>
>For suggested dates for 9.5, we know that June 30th is a no-go, Debcamp
>starts on July 21st and then Debconf on the 28th. So that leaves us with:
>
>- July 7th
>- July 14th
>
>Are people available for either or both of those dates?

Both look good for me, yup.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"Yes, of course duct tape works in a near-vacuum. Duct tape works
 anywhere. Duct tape is magic and should be worshipped."
   -― Andy Weir, "The Martian"

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#61188

El 12 de junio de 2018 13:44:52 CEST, "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> escribió:
>On 2018-06-08 18:51, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
>> [Cc += debian-kernel]
>> 
>> On Sun, 2018-05-20 at 12:04 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>> On 15037 March 1977, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>[...]
>> We're past any of the above by now, and while looking through the
>to-do
>> list for the final jessie point release, I noticed that we currently
>> have some packages in opu with versions higher than stable.
>> 
>> We can either accept the packages and put up with the situation for a
>> short while, or do 9.5 before 8.11. In practical terms, that would
>> likely mean both 9.5 and 8.11 on June 23rd, freezing both next
>weekend.
>> How do people feel about that?
>
>After discussions on IRC, it appears unlikely that the currently WIP 
>kernel update will be ready in sufficient time to be happy with it on 
>all architectures.
>
>So the possible options are:
>
>- go ahead with freezing 9.5 this weekend, and hope the kernel's ready 
>in time
>- go ahead with freezing 9.5 this weekend, and update the kernel via 
>stable-updates later
>- just do 8.11 this weekend, accept the version skew and get 9.5 
>released as soon as we can
>
>To be entirely honest, I'm not that comfortable with announcing a
>freeze 
>this close to the actual date. In terms of packages with version skew, 
>we have:
>
>- packages from the security archive, where users upgrading should 
>already have the jessie-security package installed in any case
>- intel-microcode, src:patch and clamav, where it looks like the jessie
>
>package should work on stretch without issues
>- tzdata, which is already available from stretch-updates.
>
>Given all of the above, I think the sanest option is to concentrate on 
>getting 8.11 done and jessie off our radar and then get 9.5 sorted.
>
>For suggested dates for 9.5, we know that June 30th is a no-go, Debcamp
>
>starts on July 21st and then Debconf on the 28th. So that leaves us 
>with:
>
>- July 7th

This we (publicity) can, and prefer it.

>- July 14th

This, could be possible, but only one of us is available.

Cheers
-- 
Laura Arjona Reina
https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona
Sent with K-9 mail

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#61262

On Tue, 2018-06-12 at 18:00 +0200, Laura Arjona Reina wrote:
> 
> El 12 de junio de 2018 13:44:52 CEST, "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-ba
> rratt.org.uk> escribió:
[...]
> > - July 7th
> 
> This we (publicity) can, and prefer it.
> 
> > - July 14th
> 
> This, could be possible, but only one of us is available.

After some discussion on IRC, we've decided to go with the 14th and
look at making the press side more handleable for that date.

Regards,

Adam

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#61189

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Adam D. Barratt <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> (2018-06-12):
> Given all of the above, I think the sanest option is to concentrate on
> getting 8.11 done and jessie off our radar and then get 9.5 sorted.
> 
> For suggested dates for 9.5, we know that June 30th is a no-go, Debcamp
> starts on July 21st and then Debconf on the 28th. So that leaves us with:
> 
> - July 7th
> - July 14th
> 
> Are people available for either or both of those dates?

Will try hard to be available for the timing of your choosing.


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org)            <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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#61249

On Tue, 2018-06-12 at 12:44 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
[...]
> Given all of the above, I think the sanest option is to concentrate
> on getting 8.11 done and jessie off our radar and then get 9.5
> sorted.
> 
> For suggested dates for 9.5, we know that June 30th is a no-go,
> Debcamp starts on July 21st and then Debconf on the 28th. So that
> leaves us with:
> 
> - July 7th
> - July 14th
> 
> Are people available for either or both of those dates?

The 7th is looking like the favourite so far (although would mean
freezing next weekend), but we still need an ftp-master (N)ACK on
either / both date.

Adam

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#61258

On 15077 March 1977, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
>> - July 7th
>> - July 14th
>> Are people available for either or both of those dates?
> The 7th is looking like the favourite so far (although would mean
> freezing next weekend), but we still need an ftp-master (N)ACK on
> either / both date.

No way for me for both, sorry.

-- 
bye, Joerg

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#61259

Hi,

On Sat, 2018-06-23 at 17:30 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-06-12 at 12:44 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> [...]
> > Given all of the above, I think the sanest option is to concentrate
> > on getting 8.11 done and jessie off our radar and then get 9.5
> > sorted.
> > 
> > For suggested dates for 9.5, we know that June 30th is a no-go,
> > Debcamp starts on July 21st and then Debconf on the 28th. So that
> > leaves us with:
> > 
> > - July 7th
> > - July 14th
> > 
> > Are people available for either or both of those dates?
> 
> The 7th is looking like the favourite so far (although would mean
> freezing next weekend), but we still need an ftp-master (N)ACK on
> either / both date.

I still have time on either weekend.

Ansgar

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