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| Started by | Raul Tambre <raul@tambre.ee> |
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| First post | 2025-01-09 17:20 +0100 |
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Bug#1092603: Please enable firmware Zstd compression Raul Tambre <raul@tambre.ee> - 2025-01-09 17:20 +0100
Bug#1092603: Please enable firmware Zstd compression "Diederik de Haas" <didi.debian@cknow.org> - 2025-02-18 16:50 +0100
Bug#1092603: Please enable firmware Zstd compression Raul Tambre <raul@tambre.ee> - 2025-02-18 17:30 +0100
Bug#1092603: Please enable firmware Zstd compression Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> - 2025-02-18 17:40 +0100
Bug#1092603: Please enable firmware Zstd compression "Diederik de Haas" <didi.debian@cknow.org> - 2025-02-18 18:00 +0100
Bug#1092603: Please enable firmware Zstd compression Raul Tambre <raul@tambre.ee> - 2025-02-18 19:40 +0100
| From | Raul Tambre <raul@tambre.ee> |
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| Date | 2025-01-09 17:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Bug#1092603: Please enable firmware Zstd compression |
| Message-ID | <K33qi-6X0v-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Source: linux-signed-amd64 Version: 6.12.8+1 Severity: wishlist Dear maintainer, Please enable FW_LOADER_COMPRESS_ZSTD. Support for Zstd firmware files was enabled in initramfs-tools=0.143 after bug #1019412. With default settings the compression time for Zstd vs Xz is 8s vs 135s for a difference of only ~50MB. Which for me is the difference between "makes sense" and "too annoying to bother".
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| From | "Diederik de Haas" <didi.debian@cknow.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 16:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Khy1b-adV-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #85065 |
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On Thu Jan 9, 2025 at 5:08 PM CET, Raul Tambre wrote: > Source: linux-signed-amd64 > Version: 6.12.8+1 > Severity: wishlist > > Dear maintainer, > > Please enable FW_LOADER_COMPRESS_ZSTD. > Support for Zstd firmware files was enabled in initramfs-tools=0.143 after bug #1019412. > With default settings the compression time for Zstd vs Xz is 8s vs 135s for a difference of only ~50MB. > Which for me is the difference between "makes sense" and "too annoying to bother". I think 50MB is quite a lot. Compression of the firmware happens once (on Debian server(s)) and then 'everyone' downloads the compressed archive. Making 'everyone' download 50MB more *per packaged version* is not something to sneeze about IMO. Or am I missing something?
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| From | Raul Tambre <raul@tambre.ee> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 17:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <KhyDT-aIt-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #85551 |
In my case I have to install firmware from linux-firmware myself due to having very new hardware. So not directly applicable to Debian's own shipped firmware but for some users it's still relevant. This actually has been enabled in <https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/commit/dfee9b4caabb60d008616f0a2875d069d4c82ea2> but the closer was missed before the 6.13.3-1~exp1 upload.
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| From | Salvatore Bonaccorso <carnil@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 17:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <KhyNz-aM5-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #85558 |
Hi, On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 06:19:40PM +0200, Raul Tambre wrote: > In my case I have to install firmware from linux-firmware myself due to having very new hardware. > So not directly applicable to Debian's own shipped firmware but for some users it's still relevant. > This actually has been enabled in <https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/commit/dfee9b4caabb60d008616f0a2875d069d4c82ea2> but the closer was missed before the 6.13.3-1~exp1 upload. Thanks, I have updated the Debian bug metadata. Regards, Salvatore
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| From | "Diederik de Haas" <didi.debian@cknow.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 18:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Khz6V-aTX-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #85558 |
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On Tue Feb 18, 2025 at 5:19 PM CET, Raul Tambre wrote: > In my case I have to install firmware from linux-firmware myself due > to having very new hardware. So not directly applicable to Debian's > own shipped firmware but for some users it's still relevant. This > actually has been enabled in > <https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/commit/dfee9b4caabb60d008616f0a2875d069d4c82ea2> > but the closer was missed before the 6.13.3-1~exp1 upload. I think it's useful to enable FW_LOADER_COMPRESS_ZSTD which seems a bit of a misnomer as it supports loading (=decompressing?) zstd compressed archives. My issue was that I think 50MB larger compressed archives, is a significant increase and the (only?) benefit is that *compression* is much faster (but that only needs to be done once). Next to the additional distribution costs, I think we should also keep in mind that not everyone has a 1Gb+ unmetered internet connection.
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| From | Raul Tambre <raul@tambre.ee> |
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| Date | 2025-02-18 19:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <KhAFH-bXQ-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #85563 |
On Tue, 2025-02-18 at 17:43 +0100, Diederik de Haas wrote: > On Tue Feb 18, 2025 at 5:19 PM CET, Raul Tambre wrote: > > In my case I have to install firmware from linux-firmware myself due > > to having very new hardware. So not directly applicable to Debian's > > own shipped firmware but for some users it's still relevant. This > > actually has been enabled in > > <https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/commit/dfee9b4caabb60d008616f0a2875d069d4c82ea2> > > but the closer was missed before the 6.13.3-1~exp1 upload. > > I think it's useful to enable FW_LOADER_COMPRESS_ZSTD which seems a bit > of a misnomer as it supports loading (=decompressing?) zstd compressed > archives. > > My issue was that I think 50MB larger compressed archives, is a > significant increase and the (only?) benefit is that *compression* is > much faster (but that only needs to be done once). > Next to the additional distribution costs, I think we should also keep > in mind that not everyone has a 1Gb+ unmetered internet connection. The shortening of "compress" to "compression" can indeed be a bit confusing. Note that firmware files shipped by Debian are uncompressed, sans the compression of the .deb itself. initramfs-tools already defaults to Zstd, but that's for the initramfs image itself. This is really only relevant if you're looking to compress the firmware files as unpacked on the disk. On faster systems with sufficient RAM you'd probably still prefer Zstd despite the size increase due to the significantly faster decompression. Note that the 50 MB was the total increase for all firmware files in linux-firmware, which total some 1.9 GB. Raul
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