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| Started by | crazy.molly@lavache.com |
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| First post | 2021-04-04 21:30 +0200 |
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Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ****909 crazy.molly@lavache.com - 2021-04-04 21:30 +0200
Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ****909 Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2021-04-04 21:50 +0200
Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> - 2021-04-04 22:00 +0200
Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* crazy.molly@lavache.com - 2021-04-04 22:20 +0200
Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> - 2021-04-04 22:50 +0200
Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* crazy.molly@lavache.com - 2021-04-04 23:30 +0200
Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmengual@debian.org> - 2021-04-04 23:50 +0200
Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* Paul Sutton <paulsutton@disroot.org> - 2021-04-05 00:00 +0200
Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* John Darrah <xyllyx@gmail.com> - 2021-04-05 00:10 +0200
| From | crazy.molly@lavache.com |
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| Date | 2021-04-04 21:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ****909 |
| Message-ID | <C0gBz-fG-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-project@lists.debian.org,debian-vote@lists.debian.org,debian-devel@lists.debian.org We are contributors to Debian The contribution of every one of us makes the name Debian respectable We can't allow a crazy woman who slept with a past project leader to hijack the name of the project and use it to scar volunteers. This happened to many times. It stops now. Please stop! Delete all fascism and defamation about any volunteer that has been instigated from Debian in any form whatsoever. Delete it from the vote, web pages, search engines. Please stop! Delete all negative options from the RMS vote. We only want positive options or nothing. We will not tolerate any outcome that is negative for a volunteer If the mob does not respect our request, we are making a data dump of all the DebConf personal data. DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ****909. Privacy for everybody or privacy for nobody
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| From | Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> |
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| Date | 2021-04-04 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <C0gUW-m3-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99986 |
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 09:22:16PM +0200, crazy.molly@lavache.com wrote: > We are contributors to Debian > > The contribution of every one of us makes the name Debian respectable > We can't allow a crazy woman who slept with a past project leader to hijack Go away, FakeMikee. We know what your purposes are. Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ We domesticated dogs 36000 years ago; together we chased ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ animals, hung out and licked or scratched our private parts. ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Cats domesticated us 9500 years ago, and immediately we got ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ agriculture, towns then cities. -- whitroth on /.
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| From | Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2021-04-04 22:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* |
| Message-ID | <C0h4B-pj-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99986 |
> We are contributors to Debian > > The contribution of every one of us makes the name Debian respectable If you were, why do you try to destroy it with this attempt? > Please stop! Delete all fascism and defamation about any volunteer that has been instigated from Debian in any form whatsoever. Delete it from the vote, web pages, search engines. > > Please stop! Delete all negative options from the RMS vote. We only want positive options or nothing. We will not tolerate any outcome that is negative for a volunteer > > If the mob does not respect our request, we are making a data dump of all the DebConf personal data. Wtf please relax. The vote isn't even finished. And let's assume the project would vote against it, why do you want everything to be deleted? That's just stupid. Also, let's suppose you are a contributor to Debian (which I doubt), why do you contribute to a project which rules you don't respect? Why do you try to hurt everyone, even those who might vote in favor of supporting RMS? Regards, Stephan PS: if you reply to this, please don't share the alleged last digits to the passport number.
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| From | crazy.molly@lavache.com |
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| Date | 2021-04-04 22:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* |
| Message-ID | <C0hnY-KM-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99988 |
> If you were, why do you try to destroy it with this attempt? Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both ways. If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces full consequences. Your jobs are the targets. Your families are targets. No volunteer should have to suffer you toxic people Molly is the toxic icing on the toxic cake
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| From | Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2021-04-04 22:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* |
| Message-ID | <C0hHj-R4-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99989 |
> Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? If you refer to Jonathan Carter, that isn't even the person that started the vote, nor an original author of the open letter. Do your research, tbh to me it seems like you are a complete outsider. > Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both ways. First of all, nobody wants to "destroy" RMS. Calling someone to resign isn't destroying them, especially if they were just (secretly) elected. Secondly, why are you so toxic and want to "destroy" everybody? There is really no point, all you do is make the FLOSS community weaker and more divided. And since you seem to care about RMS and his ideas, I don't think that is something you would like. > If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces full consequences. Debian is a democracy. Assume one person votes in favor of RMS (which as you can see some people will do), why do you want them to face your alleged consequences? That doesn't make sense. They have no power to do the things you ask for. In fact, nobody in Debian has. Again, I don't think you understand the Debian project at all. > Your jobs are the targets. Your families are targets. I can understand that you are angry even if I don't agree with your views, but I don't think anyone here wants to harm RMS. Everyone here just wants the best for the FLOSS community. Why do you want to harm them so badly? Opinions on how what's the best for the community may differ, but that's fine. Discussions are healthy, as long as they stay friendly (btw your mails aren't). I have learned a lot from discussions, and yes sometimes people (me included) get unfriendly or say things that turn out to be false. But as long as we apologize for mistakes, we can grow from it. > No volunteer should have to suffer you toxic people Don't you think, just maybe, that we shouldn't suffer from your toxicity as well? Especially since we will suffer much more than you can ever suffer from this. I mean, what's the worst that can happen from your point of view? RMS resigns again? Then everything would be just like a month ago. Regards, Stephan
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| From | crazy.molly@lavache.com |
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| Date | 2021-04-04 23:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* |
| Message-ID | <C0itI-1ru-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99991 |
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If you don't want these ego-maniacs to use your name in their vendettas you can resign from Debian. This is the choice. How many people will resign if Debian votes to attack Stallman? Please tell us before the vote finishes so we call can know this now. No matter the outcome of this vote. Having the vote at all suggests that people are expendable. Volunteers can be hung over the side of the ship while people have an email argument about what to do next. Why don't you understand how toxic this is? There are so many years of defamation in Debian now. Delete it all now. Delete the negative options from the vote now. Please stop or we stop you. From: Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> To: crazy.molly@lavache.com Subject: Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* Date: 04/04/2021 22:38:20 Europe/Paris Cc: 986382@bugs.debian.org; debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? If you refer to Jonathan Carter, that isn't even the person that started the vote, nor an original author of the open letter. Do your research, tbh to me it seems like you are a complete outsider. > Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both ways. First of all, nobody wants to "destroy" RMS. Calling someone to resign isn't destroying them, especially if they were just (secretly) elected. Secondly, why are you so toxic and want to "destroy" everybody? There is really no point, all you do is make the FLOSS community weaker and more divided. And since you seem to care about RMS and his ideas, I don't think that is something you would like. > If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces full consequences. Debian is a democracy. Assume one person votes in favor of RMS (which as you can see some people will do), why do you want them to face your alleged consequences? That doesn't make sense. They have no power to do the things you ask for. In fact, nobody in Debian has. Again, I don't think you understand the Debian project at all. > Your jobs are the targets. Your families are targets. I can understand that you are angry even if I don't agree with your views, but I don't think anyone here wants to harm RMS. Everyone here just wants the best for the FLOSS community. Why do you want to harm them so badly? Opinions on how what's the best for the community may differ, but that's fine. Discussions are healthy, as long as they stay friendly (btw your mails aren't). I have learned a lot from discussions, and yes sometimes people (me included) get unfriendly or say things that turn out to be false. But as long as we apologize for mistakes, we can grow from it. > No volunteer should have to suffer you toxic people Don't you think, just maybe, that we shouldn't suffer from your toxicity as well? Especially since we will suffer much more than you can ever suffer from this. I mean, what's the worst that can happen from your point of view? RMS resigns again? Then everything would be just like a month ago. Regards, Stephan
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| From | Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmengual@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2021-04-04 23:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* |
| Message-ID | <C0iDn-1uA-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99992 |
Hi guys, Please stop replying. That is a troll, will be banned quickly, dont maintain it alive. Just ignore, listmaster and bts will do what is needed. Keep power for other more interesting things. Regards Le 04/04/2021 à 23:18, crazy.molly@lavache.com a écrit : > > > If you don't want these ego-maniacs to use your name in their vendettas > you can resign from Debian. This is the choice. How many people will > resign if Debian votes to attack Stallman? Please tell us before the > vote finishes so we call can know this now. > > No matter the outcome of this vote. Having the vote at all suggests > that people are expendable. Volunteers can be hung over the side of the > ship while people have an email argument about what to do next. > > Why don't you understand how toxic this is? > > There are so many years of defamation in Debian now. Delete it all > now. Delete the negative options from the vote now. Please stop or we > stop you. > > > >> From: Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> >> To: crazy.molly@lavache.com >> Subject: Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* >> Date: 04/04/2021 22:38:20 Europe/Paris >> Cc: 986382@bugs.debian.org; >> debian-devel@lists.debian.org >> >> > Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? >> >> If you refer to Jonathan Carter, that isn't even the person that >> started the vote, nor an original author of the open letter. Do your >> research, tbh to me it seems like you are a complete outsider. >> >> > Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both ways. >> >> First of all, nobody wants to "destroy" RMS. Calling someone to resign >> isn't destroying them, especially if they were just (secretly) >> elected. >> >> Secondly, why are you so toxic and want to "destroy" everybody? There >> is really no point, all you do is make the FLOSS community weaker and >> more divided. And since you seem to care about RMS and his ideas, I >> don't think that is something you would like. >> >> > If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces full >> consequences. >> >> Debian is a democracy. Assume one person votes in favor of RMS (which >> as you can see some people will do), why do you want them to face your >> alleged consequences? That doesn't make sense. They have no power to >> do the things you ask for. In fact, nobody in Debian has. Again, I >> don't think you understand the Debian project at all. >> >> > Your jobs are the targets. Your families are targets. >> >> I can understand that you are angry even if I don't agree with your >> views, but I don't think anyone here wants to harm RMS. Everyone here >> just wants the best for the FLOSS community. Why do you want to harm >> them so badly? >> >> Opinions on how what's the best for the community may differ, but >> that's fine. Discussions are healthy, as long as they stay friendly >> (btw your mails aren't). I have learned a lot from discussions, and >> yes sometimes people (me included) get unfriendly or say things that >> turn out to be false. But as long as we apologize for mistakes, we can >> grow from it. >> >> > No volunteer should have to suffer you toxic people >> >> Don't you think, just maybe, that we shouldn't suffer from your >> toxicity as well? Especially since we will suffer much more than you >> can ever suffer from this. I mean, what's the worst that can happen >> from your point of view? RMS resigns again? Then everything would be >> just like a month ago. >> >> Regards, >> Stephan
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| From | Paul Sutton <paulsutton@disroot.org> |
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| Date | 2021-04-05 00:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* |
| Message-ID | <C0iWJ-1Bf-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99993 |
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On 04/04/2021 22:38, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > Hi guys, > > Please stop replying. That is a troll, will be banned quickly, dont > maintain it alive. Just ignore, listmaster and bts will do what is > needed. Keep power for other more interesting things. > > Regards > +1 to this, I am on the free software foundation lists and have been involved in various conversations around code of conduct and related ideas to make sure that environments are free of abuse. I have also worked in a school, and was subjected abuse, at the hands of children, which was fobbed off by teachers. So I am all for creating safe, non toxic environments to work in. I support RMS, simply because he is a spokesperson for the free software and is passionate about that. RMS is one person, one of thousands who write, develop and support free software. It would be nice if we could just work together, regardless of which side we are on. focus on what is important, building free software and the best OS in the world, Debian of course, and building safe inclusive communities for all. :) Regards Paul > Le 04/04/2021 à 23:18, crazy.molly@lavache.com a écrit : >> >> >> If you don't want these ego-maniacs to use your name in their >> vendettas you can resign from Debian. This is the choice. How many >> people will resign if Debian votes to attack Stallman? Please tell us >> before the vote finishes so we call can know this now. >> >> No matter the outcome of this vote. Having the vote at all suggests >> that people are expendable. Volunteers can be hung over the side of >> the ship while people have an email argument about what to do next. >> >> Why don't you understand how toxic this is? >> >> There are so many years of defamation in Debian now. Delete it all >> now. Delete the negative options from the vote now. Please stop or >> we stop you. >> >> >> >>> From: Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> >>> To: crazy.molly@lavache.com >>> Subject: Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is >>> ******* >>> Date: 04/04/2021 22:38:20 Europe/Paris >>> Cc: 986382@bugs.debian.org; >>> debian-devel@lists.debian.org >>> >>> > Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? >>> >>> If you refer to Jonathan Carter, that isn't even the person that >>> started the vote, nor an original author of the open letter. Do your >>> research, tbh to me it seems like you are a complete outsider. >>> >>> > Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both ways. >>> >>> First of all, nobody wants to "destroy" RMS. Calling someone to resign >>> isn't destroying them, especially if they were just (secretly) >>> elected. >>> >>> Secondly, why are you so toxic and want to "destroy" everybody? There >>> is really no point, all you do is make the FLOSS community weaker and >>> more divided. And since you seem to care about RMS and his ideas, I >>> don't think that is something you would like. >>> >>> > If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces full >>> consequences. >>> >>> Debian is a democracy. Assume one person votes in favor of RMS (which >>> as you can see some people will do), why do you want them to face your >>> alleged consequences? That doesn't make sense. They have no power to >>> do the things you ask for. In fact, nobody in Debian has. Again, I >>> don't think you understand the Debian project at all. >>> >>> > Your jobs are the targets. Your families are targets. >>> >>> I can understand that you are angry even if I don't agree with your >>> views, but I don't think anyone here wants to harm RMS. Everyone here >>> just wants the best for the FLOSS community. Why do you want to harm >>> them so badly? >>> >>> Opinions on how what's the best for the community may differ, but >>> that's fine. Discussions are healthy, as long as they stay friendly >>> (btw your mails aren't). I have learned a lot from discussions, and >>> yes sometimes people (me included) get unfriendly or say things that >>> turn out to be false. But as long as we apologize for mistakes, we can >>> grow from it. >>> >>> > No volunteer should have to suffer you toxic people >>> >>> Don't you think, just maybe, that we shouldn't suffer from your >>> toxicity as well? Especially since we will suffer much more than you >>> can ever suffer from this. I mean, what's the worst that can happen >>> from your point of view? RMS resigns again? Then everything would be >>> just like a month ago. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Stephan > -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 Pronoun : him/his/he
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| From | John Darrah <xyllyx@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-04-05 00:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ******* |
| Message-ID | <C0j6p-1TP-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #99993 |
Suppression of the discussion just makes it worse. It should be discussed on every Debian list as the entire community has feelings in this subject. Debian wouldn't exist without the entire community so why would they not be part of the discussion. Cheers. -- jhd On Sun, 2021-04-04 at 14:40 -0700, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > Hi guys, > > Please stop replying. That is a troll, will be banned quickly, dont > maintain it alive. Just ignore, listmaster and bts will do what is > needed. Keep power for other more interesting things. > > Regards > > Le 04/04/2021 à 23:18, crazy.molly@lavache.com a écrit : > > > > If you don't want these ego-maniacs to use your name in their > > vendettas > > you can resign from Debian. This is the choice. How many people > > will > > resign if Debian votes to attack Stallman? Please tell us before > > the > > vote finishes so we call can know this now. > > > > No matter the outcome of this vote. Having the vote at all > > suggests > > that people are expendable. Volunteers can be hung over the side > > of the > > ship while people have an email argument about what to do next. > > > > Why don't you understand how toxic this is? > > > > There are so many years of defamation in Debian now. Delete it > > all > > now. Delete the negative options from the vote now. Please stop > > or we > > stop you. > > > > > > > > > From: Stephan Lachnit <stephanlachnit@debian.org> > > > To: crazy.molly@lavache.com > > > Subject: Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is > > > ******* > > > Date: 04/04/2021 22:38:20 Europe/Paris > > > Cc: 986382@bugs.debian.org; > > > debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > > > > > > Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? > > > > > > If you refer to Jonathan Carter, that isn't even the person that > > > started the vote, nor an original author of the open letter. Do > > > your > > > research, tbh to me it seems like you are a complete outsider. > > > > > > > Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both > > > > ways. > > > > > > First of all, nobody wants to "destroy" RMS. Calling someone to > > > resign > > > isn't destroying them, especially if they were just (secretly) > > > elected. > > > > > > Secondly, why are you so toxic and want to "destroy" everybody? > > > There > > > is really no point, all you do is make the FLOSS community weaker > > > and > > > more divided. And since you seem to care about RMS and his ideas, > > > I > > > don't think that is something you would like. > > > > > > > If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces > > > > full > > > consequences. > > > > > > Debian is a democracy. Assume one person votes in favor of RMS > > > (which > > > as you can see some people will do), why do you want them to face > > > your > > > alleged consequences? That doesn't make sense. They have no power > > > to > > > do the things you ask for. In fact, nobody in Debian has. Again, > > > I > > > don't think you understand the Debian project at all. > > > > > > > Your jobs are the targets. Your families are targets. > > > > > > I can understand that you are angry even if I don't agree with > > > your > > > views, but I don't think anyone here wants to harm RMS. Everyone > > > here > > > just wants the best for the FLOSS community. Why do you want to > > > harm > > > them so badly? > > > > > > Opinions on how what's the best for the community may differ, but > > > that's fine. Discussions are healthy, as long as they stay > > > friendly > > > (btw your mails aren't). I have learned a lot from discussions, > > > and > > > yes sometimes people (me included) get unfriendly or say things > > > that > > > turn out to be false. But as long as we apologize for mistakes, > > > we can > > > grow from it. > > > > > > > No volunteer should have to suffer you toxic people > > > > > > Don't you think, just maybe, that we shouldn't suffer from your > > > toxicity as well? Especially since we will suffer much more than > > > you > > > can ever suffer from this. I mean, what's the worst that can > > > happen > > > from your point of view? RMS resigns again? Then everything would > > > be > > > just like a month ago. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Stephan > >
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