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Bug#1126662: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15

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  Bug#1126662: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15 Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2026-08-31 14:00 +0200
    Bug#1115556: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15 Andre Noll <maan@tuebingen.mpg.de> - 2026-09-02 16:40 +0200
      Bug#1146287: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15 Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2026-09-02 21:30 +0200
        Bug#1115556: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15 Andre Noll <maan@tuebingen.mpg.de> - 2026-09-09 19:50 +0200

#1307232 — Bug#1126662: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15

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Hi Andre,

given that we once worked together nicely with the ball package in
Debian Med I'm guessing you are fine with a NMU of liblopsub.  I
followed the rule to upload to DELAYED/15 anyway to give you sufficient
time to insist.

I noticed that your private repository contained changelog entries
pretending releases of a new upstream version but these never have
reached the Debian mirrors.  Thus I merged these into a single entry
closing all open bugs (I opened two further ones to follow the NMU
procedure and document what issues are closed in the NMU).  You can
find all changes in

   https://salsa.debian.org/debian/liblopsub

and I've granted your ID on Salsa Maintainer permissions on this
repository.  Please let me know if I should cancel the upload.

Kind regards
   Andreas.

PS: I intend to migrate tfortune in a similar manner to the Debian
    name space on Salsa.

-- 
https://fam-tille.de

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#1307489 — Bug#1115556: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15

Hi Andreas

On Mon, Aug 31, 13:57, Andreas Tille wrote

> given that we once worked together nicely with the ball package in
> Debian Med I'm guessing you are fine with a NMU of liblopsub.  I
> followed the rule to upload to DELAYED/15 anyway to give you sufficient
> time to insist.

You are confusing me with someone else, as I've never worked with the ball
package in Debian Med.

> I noticed that your private repository contained changelog entries
> pretending releases of a new upstream version but these never have
> reached the Debian mirrors.

Right. I proposed a way forward, but got no reply from the any of the Debian
people involved. See Bug#1086623.

Due to this bug, both tfortune and lopsub were removed from testing on July
26th. Given this and the fact that I already spent way too much time on
an issue that should take five minutes to resolve, I decided to not invest
further time on Debian integration issues. IOW, Debian just lost a contributor.

In fact, I already removed the tfortune web page and its git repo, continuing
development non-publicly. This is why the vcs tracker complains. The only
reason the lopsub repo and web page are still online is that other projects
of mine (see the link in the signature below) depend on it. I'm planning to
remove the "debian" branch of lopsub, though, because it is not needed to
build the package from source.

I might reconsider this decision if somebody volunteers to act as the
Debian maintainer for both tfortune and lopsub. This person's job would be
to maintain the debian/ directory to improve the integration with the Debian
infrastructure, to upload new versions, and to coordinate non-Debian related
changes with me. If nobody is willing to do this work, the packages should
probably get removed.

Thanks
Andre
-- 
Max Planck Institute for Biology
Tel: (+49) 7071 601 829
Max-Planck-Ring 5, 72076 Tübingen, Germany
https://people.tuebingen.mpg.de/maan/

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#1307536 — Bug#1146287: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15

Hi Andre

Am Wed, Sep 02, 2026 at 04:37:40PM +0200 schrieb Andre Noll:
> > I noticed that your private repository contained changelog entries
> > pretending releases of a new upstream version but these never have
> > reached the Debian mirrors.
> 
> Right. I proposed a way forward, but got no reply from the any of the Debian
> people involved. See Bug#1086623.
> 
> Due to this bug, both tfortune and lopsub were removed from testing on July
> 26th.

It was removed due to bug #1126662 actually.

> Given this and the fact that I already spent way too much time on
> an issue that should take five minutes to resolve, I decided to not invest
> further time on Debian integration issues. IOW, Debian just lost a contributor.

That's sad to hear.  Does this mean you want to orphan your packages?
If so I can do a QA upload and make the QA team maintainer.
 
> In fact, I already removed the tfortune web page and its git repo, continuing
> development non-publicly.

I do not understand why the fact that you are not happy to maintain some
software in Debian (which I can understand to some extend) is a
motivation to remove a repository containing GPL-3 software (which can
be used by other distributions or users who want to compile it from
scratch) from the web.

> This is why the vcs tracker complains. The only
> reason the lopsub repo and web page are still online is that other projects
> of mine (see the link in the signature below) depend on it. I'm planning to
> remove the "debian" branch of lopsub, though, because it is not needed to
> build the package from source.

Its actually very sensible to remove the debian/ dir from upstream source
repositories.
 
> I might reconsider this decision if somebody volunteers to act as the
> Debian maintainer for both tfortune and lopsub.

The fact that you are seeking for a new maintainer is not obvious at
all.  As I said I could do QA uploads and file according Orphan bugs for
both packages.  This expresses that a new maintainer is needed.

> This person's job would be
> to maintain the debian/ directory to improve the integration with the Debian
> infrastructure, to upload new versions, and to coordinate non-Debian related
> changes with me. If nobody is willing to do this work, the packages should
> probably get removed.

Alternatively to orphaning you can file a removal bug.  Debian has a
strict package ownership model.  So you are the person who can decide
whether orphaning or removing would be appropirate and you can ask for
removal as well (Hint: `reportbug other` and follow the menu).

I admit I'd be motivated to do a QA upload of
   https://salsa.debian.org/debian/liblopsub
since I've spent some time into it and doing something similar with
tfortune would be easy as well.  Just let me know what you want to do
and how I can help you in doing so.

Kind regards
    Andreas.

-- 
https://fam-tille.de

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#1308501 — Bug#1115556: NMU of liblopsub to delayed=15

On Wed, Sep 09, 16:56, Andreas Tille wrote

> Am Wed, Sep 02, 2026 at 09:18:23PM +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> > > Given this and the fact that I already spent way too much time on
> > > an issue that should take five minutes to resolve, I decided to not invest
> > > further time on Debian integration issues. IOW, Debian just lost a contributor.
> > 
> > That's sad to hear.  Does this mean you want to orphan your packages?
> > If so I can do a QA upload and make the QA team maintainer.
> 
> Can you please clarify whether you want to orphan this (and the tfortune)
> package?  I'm reading the "Debian just lost a contributor" as == "I do not
> intend to maintain this package any more".

I'm still willing to maintain the tfortune and lopsub code, i.e. everything
except the debian/ directories, and I'm happy to work on features and bugs
that affect *users* of both packages. It's just that I won't spend time on
the Debian maintenance any more, including RFS, uploads, CI, lintian, salsa
and all that. My attempt to get familiar with these workflows was both time
consuming and fruitless, and I won't continue this frustrating experience.

> I admit I'm sorry that you made this bad experience with Debian and
> you are kindly invited to come back again.

No reason to be sorry, it's not your fault.

I've resurrected the tfortune web page and re-enabled the git repo, so feel
free to do whatever it takes to make the bots happy. But please keep me out
of the loop unless the code itself needs to be changed.

Thanks
Andre
-- 
Max Planck Institute for Biology
Tel: (+49) 7071 601 829
Max-Planck-Ring 5, 72076 Tübingen, Germany
https://people.tuebingen.mpg.de/maan/

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