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| Started by | Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> |
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| First post | 2025-11-21 14:20 +0100 |
| Last post | 2025-11-22 10:40 +0100 |
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Bug#1121125: please provide library package python3-gftools separate from executable Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2025-11-21 14:20 +0100
Bug#1121125: please provide library package python3-gftools separate from executable Nicholas D Steeves <sten@debian.org> - 2025-11-22 01:00 +0100
Bug#1121125: please provide library package python3-gftools separate from executable Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2025-11-22 08:50 +0100
Bug#1121125: please provide library package python3-gftools separate from executable Rene Engelhard <rene@debian.org> - 2025-11-22 10:40 +0100
| From | Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2025-11-21 14:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Bug#1121125: please provide library package python3-gftools separate from executable |
| Message-ID | <LTzdo-eDJB-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
Source: gftools Version: 0.9.95+dfsg-1 Severity: important -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The binary package gftools provide both an executable and a python3 shared library. Please provide the python3 shared library as a separate binary package pyth3-gftools, for use independently of the executable. Raising severity somewhat, as this is arguably a policy violation. - Jonas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJABAEBCgAqFiEEn+Ppw2aRpp/1PMaELHwxRsGgASEFAmkgZWEMHGRyQGpvbmVz LmRrAAoJECx8MUbBoAEhxFQQAI8VJ73E0TXHZcmqIyulnywtCorjz4rgK46EKfdS +wJpZ5owHdFJHR3OMAbTPFlOvg2shcFb9zy5jpRuZqBlTacOnkLNYaoo5jb4S87X F1MIc/gffZFa/lE1kbh7gu8CJqWdrfTA2OeOJdBUsxPyE4/fYgO8shUgn2O8N/Kz dvVmeoFMPomwkoW0mbkOioVJdNy/FVcd6vPk4lgxVA7tk7WXE5Tmtq+UhFL848sI BHNgJRa7Wii+zsD+wLODU55Eu65tAnVTCJsZP1nZAHW4tEdMdKSY+TGuAKn7wHeN u42cJnfxZMPuK8KRA7aDwNrqd61Eb9e0V4H2Rebxg6xj+TOd29AR6GTnWAWfez9h 61qp1GFZyqbvg+WQmiYtJccN5afvCpknyrb010asjd3WjOhZWi7q/XftgFA9tdJt XTIlo1MHByAi/Oha0T9OWjRt0dd8jNcZZcPisC49PAMJVgkDhrvKZke0m0S4Gdwu aIXhR/vdHg3NT/xIL7jm2wh4o8iqQSGx4akQ3XI4jckTBBnDo9/A5Xjay8xLh9sG fMqccVcvzCNA33EUUBxvUq+k7hs7aB0BrI0xeLWZ5PaByDzzPGliH+z25VtlRckG v7nvELimRE0flx9y2o+ipLg//rocTSq7ygp6c0SMx4vUdX1jXUPb4idNjAkUgchL SAY0 =N2wi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Nicholas D Steeves <sten@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2025-11-22 01:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <LTJcJ-eK2M-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #1271048 |
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Hi Jonas! Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> writes: > Source: gftools > Version: 0.9.95+dfsg-1 > Severity: important > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > The binary package gftools provide both an executable and a python3 > shared library. > > Please provide the python3 shared library as a separate binary package > pyth3-gftools, for use independently of the executable. An ftpmaster recently rejected a NEW upload that was split like this, and the justification appears to have been that it was micropackaging without benefit (see Subject lines for the last two weeks of DPT emails). > Raising severity somewhat, as this is arguably a policy violation. Why? Also, is this a case where Policy (and/or DPT policy) needs to be amended? I don't have a stake in this, but now there appears to be a direct contradiction in policies...'hopefully clearing this up will go smoothly in a low-drama way! :) Regards, Nicholas
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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> |
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| Date | 2025-11-22 08:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <LTQxz-eQua-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #1271105 |
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Hi Nicholas, Quoting Nicholas D Steeves (2025-11-22 00:51:23) > Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> writes: > > The binary package gftools provide both an executable and a python3 > > shared library. > > > > Please provide the python3 shared library as a separate binary > > package pyth3-gftools, for use independently of the executable. > > An ftpmaster recently rejected a NEW upload that was split like this, > and the justification appears to have been that it was micropackaging > without benefit (see Subject lines for the last two weeks of DPT > emails). Can you provide a link to the mentioned conversation, if it was public? Oh, and correction: I made a typo above - I meant to request provision of binary package python3-gftools. > > Raising severity somewhat, as this is arguably a policy violation. > > Why? Also, is this a case where Policy (and/or DPT policy) needs to > be amended? If it has become Debian Policy to no longer provide Python libraries in section "python", and (as I guess is the ftpmaster practice you are referring to above) it has become Debian Policy to not permit separation of binaries and libraries when the resulting binary package is smaller than some arbitrary amount of bits, then I guess you might be right that some Policy needs to be amended. Which one I don't know, and the ambiguity of this is the reason I only raised severty slightly and added the word "arguably". > I don't have a stake in this, but now there appears to be a direct > contradiction in policies...'hopefully clearing this up will go > smoothly in a low-drama way! :) I have no interest in drama. I have interest in packaging 100+ fonts-noto-* source packages, all of which will depend on the Python library "notobuilder", which in turn depends on the python library "gftool" currently embedded in the binary package "gftool". Python tooling expects python libraries to be named "python3-*". Perhaps everything works fine if the binary package "gftool" gets added a virtually provided package name "python3-gftool"? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ * Sponsorship: https://ko-fi.com/drjones [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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| From | Rene Engelhard <rene@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2025-11-22 10:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <LTSg2-eRG8-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #1271128 |
Hi, Am 22.11.25 um 08:42 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: > Hi Nicholas, > > Quoting Nicholas D Steeves (2025-11-22 00:51:23) >> Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> writes: >>> The binary package gftools provide both an executable and a python3 >>> shared library. >>> >>> Please provide the python3 shared library as a separate binary >>> package pyth3-gftools, for use independently of the executable. >> An ftpmaster recently rejected a NEW upload that was split like this, >> and the justification appears to have been that it was micropackaging >> without benefit (see Subject lines for the last two weeks of DPT >> emails). > Can you provide a link to the mentioned conversation, if it was pub > lic? https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2025/11/msg00008.html ff. (I don't like the rejection either and would have split them, too...) Regards, Rene
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